You misunderstood my comment. It was to give a more level playing field with the battery electrics. Remember, the FCEVs are behind BEVs in commercialization.
Both BEVs and FCEVs have needed subsidies - fortunately BEVs are starting to need them less. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 2, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not surprising. But also not surprising that they would give a positive spin > on something that would fail on its own. You've said as much: "give a level > playing field". We give handicaps to those who can't compete on their own in > order to have a more balanced match. Hydrogen for cars can't stand on it's > own. The infrastructure is more expensive than for EVs, the storage of > hydrogen takes more space, the production of hydrogen costs too much, ... > > It's one thing to provide incentives and subsidies to help ease startup > risks. It's another to "level the playing field." > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mark Abramowitz" <[email protected]> > To: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > Sent: 02-Dec-19 8:46:34 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Fw: [NEVs] California’s Clean Vehicle Rebate > Program > >> I’m glad that you noticed that, and hope that you noticed that no “big oil” >> companies are members. >> >> That should give you a hint of the accuracy of brucep’s frequent railing >> about hydrogen and big oil. >> >> The members shouldn’t be surprising, exactly what you would expect from a >> business council. These are the companies making the clean air solutions >> positions. You will likely find something similar for a BEV group. >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>> On Dec 2, 2019, at 7:38 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> And, look who are the members: >>> https://www.californiahydrogen.org/aboutus/chbc-members/ >>> - compressed gas companies >>> - auto companies >>> - Hydrogen companies >>> - Fuel cell & fittngs companies >>> - Various energy companies >>> .... >>> >>> Peri >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "sr via EV" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: "sr" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 01-Dec-19 11:39:18 AM >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Fw: [NEVs] California’s Clean Vehicle Rebate >>> Program >>> >>>> https://efiling.energy.ca.gov/GetDocument.aspx?tn=230880&DocumentContentId=62522 >>>> >>>> Worth reading re industry and hydrogen >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 7:11 AM Lawrence Rhodes [email protected] >>>> [GGEVA] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree government funding of hydrogen as a fuel is a waste of money. >>>>> Sadly, it's always taxpayer money, because the oil and gas industry >>>>> knows the idea is a loser, so won't pay to develop the technology or >>>>> infrastructure itself. I think that could be the basis of a key >>>>> argument: if hydrogen fuelling is such a great idea, why isn't the >>>>> 'energy' industry paying to build it out themselves? Why is government >>>>> assistance appropriate for this massively expensive build? They didn't >>>>> need government assistance to build gas stations. >>>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
