Agree with most here: why risk coop money when evse companies are willing to install for free and may even share some of the profit after recouping their cost? We are still in land grab time over evse installs, so use it for non core business at the coop and reap the benefit of extra customers without the fin risk on the evse. Full disclosure: I work for a charger building company. Cor.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 8:38 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Throwback to the early 1900s! > > I think that this would really cut total cost of BEV infrastructure, > particularly in new development. It also seems relatively simple. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > On Aug 20, 2019, at 3:58 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I still say put in 110v outlets on all the curbs like up north. No need > for an EVSE at all. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 19, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Brandon Hines via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> I have always thought that one of the biggest problems with EVs is that > it is difficult to make charging infrastructure profitable. Any reasonably > profitable markup on electricity would be outrageous from a consumer > perspective. Any investment into a small number of stations does not > sufficient spread the risk. There is a high probability that maintenance > costs will eat most, if not all, potential profits. > >> > >> In this particular case I would highly advise against spending $50k for > a L3 charger at a co-op. L3 charging is more for long distance travel, not > opportunity charging. I suspect most people are not driving extended > distances to shop for groceries. > >> > >> A better strategy might be to install 6 L2 chargers for 1/10th the > total cost and allow shoppers to charge for free. The additional 20 miles > added per hour should be beneficial to most shoppers. And if an occasional > shopper needs more range they can sit for a meal at the deli. The extra > Balsamic Pesto sandwich they sell should cover the cost of electricity. > >> > >> As a big supporter of both EVs and co-ops, spending so much money on a > non-core service that comes with additional risks and marginal upside just > doesn't make any sense to me. To be honest, the better solution would > likely be to partner with an existing company who can take all the risks > and deal with payments. The co-op should just reap the benefits of having > some shoppers spend more time and money in the store. > >> > >> -Brandon > >> > >>> On 8/19/19 6:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > >>> That's pretty optimistic thinking. You have to take into account how > long a driver is willing to wait for a charger to become available. I would > guess in the *best* of circumstances that would result in a 50% occupancy > rate. But of course some times of day would be in more or less demand than > others. > >>> > >>> Another factor is that some of the time is the user authorizing his > account, plugging in the cable, and unplugging and moving the car when > done. You don't get revenue during those times. > >>> > >>> Third, if someone goes past about 80% charge, the trickle charge > should start and you get substantially less revenue. > >>> > >>> I believe anyone who installs an L3 should expect it to be a loss and > plan on recouping it with associated business. > >>> > >>> Peri > >>> > >>> ------ Original Message ------ > >>> From: "paul dove via EV" <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Cc: "paul dove" <[email protected]>; "jim" <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: 19-Aug-19 1:06:04 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Public station, private ownership? > >>> > >>>> If there were a car plugged into all three for 10 hours a day that > would be $160 to $175 at $0.20 per KWh. Assuming cost of $0.10 a KWh that > would take two years to get back the investment with no maintenance costs. > >>>> > >>>> Those are big if's..... but then it would be $25k a year income. I've > never seen chargers that busy around here but maybe in California. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190820/3cbb68d3/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
