Throwback to the early 1900s! I think that this would really cut total cost of BEV infrastructure, particularly in new development. It also seems relatively simple.
- Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 20, 2019, at 3:58 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > I still say put in 110v outlets on all the curbs like up north. No need for > an EVSE at all. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 19, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Brandon Hines via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have always thought that one of the biggest problems with EVs is that it >> is difficult to make charging infrastructure profitable. Any reasonably >> profitable markup on electricity would be outrageous from a consumer >> perspective. Any investment into a small number of stations does not >> sufficient spread the risk. There is a high probability that maintenance >> costs will eat most, if not all, potential profits. >> >> In this particular case I would highly advise against spending $50k for a L3 >> charger at a co-op. L3 charging is more for long distance travel, not >> opportunity charging. I suspect most people are not driving extended >> distances to shop for groceries. >> >> A better strategy might be to install 6 L2 chargers for 1/10th the total >> cost and allow shoppers to charge for free. The additional 20 miles added >> per hour should be beneficial to most shoppers. And if an occasional >> shopper needs more range they can sit for a meal at the deli. The extra >> Balsamic Pesto sandwich they sell should cover the cost of electricity. >> >> As a big supporter of both EVs and co-ops, spending so much money on a >> non-core service that comes with additional risks and marginal upside just >> doesn't make any sense to me. To be honest, the better solution would >> likely be to partner with an existing company who can take all the risks and >> deal with payments. The co-op should just reap the benefits of having some >> shoppers spend more time and money in the store. >> >> -Brandon >> >>> On 8/19/19 6:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>> That's pretty optimistic thinking. You have to take into account how long a >>> driver is willing to wait for a charger to become available. I would guess >>> in the *best* of circumstances that would result in a 50% occupancy rate. >>> But of course some times of day would be in more or less demand than others. >>> >>> Another factor is that some of the time is the user authorizing his >>> account, plugging in the cable, and unplugging and moving the car when >>> done. You don't get revenue during those times. >>> >>> Third, if someone goes past about 80% charge, the trickle charge should >>> start and you get substantially less revenue. >>> >>> I believe anyone who installs an L3 should expect it to be a loss and plan >>> on recouping it with associated business. >>> >>> Peri >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "paul dove via EV" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: "paul dove" <[email protected]>; "jim" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 19-Aug-19 1:06:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Public station, private ownership? >>> >>>> If there were a car plugged into all three for 10 hours a day that would >>>> be $160 to $175 at $0.20 per KWh. Assuming cost of $0.10 a KWh that would >>>> take two years to get back the investment with no maintenance costs. >>>> >>>> Those are big if's..... but then it would be $25k a year income. I've >>>> never seen chargers that busy around here but maybe in California. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
