Since you end with a flurry of inaccurate and personal attacks, I’ll start there.
First of all, the three fuel cell cars in my family run on less fossil fuel than most BEV drivers on this list. (If you always charge your car with 100% solar energy, congratulations, you are cleaner than me - for now). Check the latest CEC numbers for grid renewable content. Secondly, as far as my income from hydrogen advocacy, I’m not sure where you got the impression that I make living from hydrogen advocacy, but your comment is false and misleading. Over the last five years or so, I’ve earned ZERO from hydrogen advocacy. In fact, much of my income derives from providing advice in recommending spending in support of BEV technologies. I will admit to having some hydrogen industry client on occasion - but you are barking up the wrong tree, my friend. And if you remember that I offered to help you with BEV charging infrastructure difficulties at Caltech a few years ago - that wasn’t paid either. Third, I’m not sure what on earth you are talking about when you complain about the market, and then say prices are too low. But whatever your concerns, they can be addressed , much the same way as electricity prices are. To suggest that hydrogen embrittlement has been a problem and caused problems is false on its face - you are the first I have EVER seen suggest that. I won’t disparage the cost of battery electric infrastructure because it’s one of the two zero emission technologies we have, and is important for cleaning the air, but let’s just say that your implicit assumptions about total cost miss the mark, particularly at scale. But there are many in the fossil fuel industry who will welcome your emphasis on cost. I don’t know where and how you get your efficiency numbers, but the technology is changing quickly - but I know that that’s not what matters to you anyway, as such a full throated attack on one of the electric drive technologies that differ in storage mechanism have to be about something more than that. You start with “let’s be clear”, but you’ve given us everything but, except maybe clearly wrong. Very Trumpesque. I won’t argue any more with you - you want to slow progress towards clean air, go ahead - you’re doing the fossil industry’s work for them. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 25, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Let's be clear. Hydrogen is three times more inefficient than BEV when > electrolyzed. It is twice as inefficient when reformed from natural gas. > Hydrogen stations are a million dollars or more. Fast chargers are 50k. > Level iI chargers start at $200.00. You can go to the EPA fuel economy site > to see the figures. Hydrogen embrittlement is a major problem and must be > addressed after the accidents in Oslo, Santa Clara and Southern California. > Think Hindenburg. While I think Hydrogen is a stupid idea I have no problem > with Shell or Chevron making a fueling system. It is exactly the same system > used to hold hostage all users to the quirks of the market and why we have 4 > dollar gas which is half what it should be. .However when my tax dollars are > used to subsidize this wasteful technology I object and will do everything in > my power to throw a monkey wrench in the works. So Mark with you profiting > from hydrogen advocacy you are not objective and I could compare you to a > coal miner losing his job because of superior technology. Take your fossil > fuel powered cell phone and crawl back under the rock you came from. > Lawrence Rhodes > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 6/25/19, Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 3:22 PM > > Is there even the most minutiae > of evidence of your preposterous assertion? > > It’s simply not true. False. > Kochish. > > And > anti-environmental, to boot. > > - Mark > > Sent > from my natural gas powered iPhone > >> > On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> California > tax dollars are being spent to support hydrogen > infrastructure. > https://twitter.com/search?q=%40NancySkinnerCA%20hydrogen&src=typd > Nancy Skinner, a well meaning Democrat from Berkely, is > leading the charge with a senate bill. Please send your > messages of truth that hydrogen is wasteful, inefficient and > will hold people hostage to the whims of the market like > gasoline and diesel. The only reason hydrogen is being > pushed is to propagate the gasoline/diesel model started in > the last two centuries. Lawrence Rhodes >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190625/5b59b36b/attachment.html> >> > _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
