I am wondering if Toyota (who against everyone’s warnings, drank the cool-aid and invested in Hydrogen) feels burned with developing new technology, comfortably milking their Hybrid technology that is now present in vehicle big and small and they feel no need to change that. Or this was purely a *dealer* driven story, which is probably important for Toyota, but should not determine their strategic direction…. Time will tell. Nissan is struggling with the choice of not cooling their battery packs and the sometimes excessive deterioration of their packs in heat, Others invest in temp regulation for their packs and enjoying single digits of capacity loss over several years of usage… Last I checked, the future will be electric – with or without Toyota. I like Toyota’s engineering, that is why I have 3 Prius’ in my name, in used by my family members, while I drive electric. We will move towards more EV in future. Cor.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Robert Bruninga via EV Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 1:04 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Robert Bruninga Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us forEVs At my last count, I came up with 250 EV models are promised over then next 7 years by 2025. That is a big number. And last time I counted al lmodels, I think I only came up with about 450 total car models on sale in the USA. So it is over half... Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: EV <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Eckhoff via EV Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 3:24 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Cc: Peter Eckhoff <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us for EVs I don't get it either. According to Exxon-Mobil, we have until around 2040, maybe a bit longer, until the world wide liquid supply of crude oil peaks. All Toyota has to do is to view the worldwide sales of EVs on InsideEVs Sales charts to realize there is a market for EVs. Not sure what their rationale is for their comment. Prime sales are similar to Volt sales in volume and GM just said they are cancelling Volt production but keeping the Bolt. Tesla is going great guns and are looking to produce an electric pickup truck. A number of electric pickups are in pre-production such as from Bollinger and Rivian. Almost all of the auto manufacturers are saying they are switching to producing nothing but electrics during the next two decades. There is always the good chance that EV sales continue to climb and the price of gasoline drops to $0.50 a gallon. Then Toyota ICE sales might pick up and they cancel production of the Prius and their other hybrids??? On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > [Shrug] Their loss. > > In 1973, when the Mideast oil cartel shut the petroleum spigot down to > a trickle, owners of 13mpg US-made land yachts were putting their > names on waiting lists to buy 30mpg small cars. > > But it wasn't GM and Ford dealers that were collecting their > "additional dealer markup," hundreds of dollars over sticker price. > They didn't have small, fuel-efficient cars that anybody wanted to > buy. Chevy Vegas? Ford Pintos? No thanks. > > It was Japanese automakers' dealers who won that round. Toyota > Corollas, Datsun B210s, and Honda Civics got prepped with such > high-profit extras as > $250 radios, $70 floor mats, and $90 mud flaps, and then they flew out > the shop doors. They never even saw the lot. > > Next time gasoline gets scarce, depending on how sensible GM is, it > might be GM dealers poaching EV customers from Toyota. That would be > ironic. > > However, I think it's more likely that the next beneficiary of a US > (or > worldwide) fuel crunch will be BYD, Geely, and other Chinese automakers. > I > expect that they'll be the ones unloading cargo ships full of EVs on > these shores. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL > Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. > To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the > webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181213/e63684 82/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181213/c6b2e87b/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
