Interesting to read the responses, most are in an American mind-set, talking about 4 hour road trips, while The Netherlands does not support enough land to make a 4 hour trip, unless you make the mistake to sit in rush-hour (freeway parking lot) traffic. On any other time, you run out of country before you run out of time, as the longest distance across country in The Netherlands is about 200 miles, while traveling the width of the country (which I have done frequently) takes about 2 hours (120 miles). All frequent traveling and the reason that EVs are getting more popular is the typical in-town and commute traveling which is on average between 10-20 miles per trip. So, it totally makes sense to install the majority of the public charging stations at shopping destinations and near workplaces. Since there also is a lot of street parking (majority of residences are "town homes" in other words a row of ~5 homes under 1 roof, and only the end homes may be provided with a garage, the others have no other provision than street parking) it makes sense to have public charging in or very near to residences. Most gas stations are very small and definitely the ones on the freeway have typically no shopping or food, other than a tiny convenience store, you would not want to make the diversion from your normal in-town routine to go out of your way to go to a charging station on the freeway. Besides, for longer drives the EV is still a challenge and it is much easier to take a liquid fuel burner for those trips, as long as the majority of the EVs cannot cover the distance. There are mandates that *all* new vehicle sales will have to be electric fueled at some point in near future, so eventually we will get to the situation that the EV can do everything, but since the average mileage put on a car is 8,000 per year you can see that trips tend to be short and local, although the majority of trips under 3 miles are not done by car, but by bike (increasingly eBike as for the bike there has already been a tipping point, that almost all new bikes sold are eBikes.) So the car is typically used for distances of 3 - 10 miles by women; 3-20 miles by men. The difference comes from the tendency of mothers to work part-time and thus require shorter commutes, while men tend to commute longer distance. You can find the data in the report (this one is from 2016): https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016/38/2016-transport-and-mobility.pdf
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 8:47 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Nice gesture? Really! Let's see...... how many charging stations has any > other car manufacturer installed?I think Nissan and BMW funded some EVGO > sites but they charge to use theirs. > > > headlines: > > GM suggests Congress fund EV charging, Toyota asks for hydrogen fueling > support > > GM Won't Fund CCS Fast-Charging Sites For 2017 Chevy Bolt EV > > From: Steves via EV <[email protected]> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> > Cc: Steves <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging station density > > Montreal has also been rapidly expanding its system - Circuit électrique. > Best part of it is, in places that it’s normally hard to find parking, there > is usually an EV charging space open and charging cost is cheaper than the > parking rate in most areas! > > In the US the Tesla stations seen pretty widespread- too bad they didn’t add > at least one non-Tesla charger at each one. Would have been a nice gesture. > > -Steve > > >> On May 1, 2018, at 2:57 AM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> For those of you living in rural USA or other hinterland >> where there is no public charger within range of your EV, >> don't be jealous of the coastal areas where you can actually >> find a handful of chargers within reach - because I was shocked >> (pun unintended) to see the density of charging locations in >> for example The Netherlands, where it is impossible to be more >> than a few miles away from several public chargers at all times. >> Just one largish city like Amsterdam is home to 4,045 public >> charging locations - totally amazing. >> I was already suspecting a high density when I noticed that in >> the sleepy suburb where some of my family resides, there were >> several public charging locations put in next to parking stations >> along strip malls and such, as well as noticing a regular office >> building complex getting more and more plug in poles next to more and >> more of the existing parking spaces, as well as seeing them being >> used all the time... >> Here a map of charging locations in The Netherlands, including a link >> to locations elsewhere in Europe: >> https://nederlandelektrisch.nl/opladen/waar-kan-ik-laden-in-nederland >> Cor. >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180501/85e72f2e/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
