Amen, Lee.  If quiet cars are truly the problem, the requirement should be 
universal.  Singling out EV's certainly has the appearance - even if not the 
intent - of hostility and intentionally limiting their appeal.  I tend to 
believe the current action is merely a case of narrow-mindedness, but one could 
easily see it abused for anti-competitive ends by the powerful and politically 
connected.  Such tactics are commonplace in business.

I used to be vehemently opposed to EV noise regulations - I can't stand noise 
pollution!  However, the sound my wife's Prius V makes is much less obtrusive 
than I feared and serves as a good model for how this can be done well.  In 
fact, I didn't even realize for several weeks that it wasn't just normal 
fan/inverter operating noise, even though I'd owned an earlier-gen Prius.  
Still not as pleasant as my own silent EVs, but definitely something I can live 
with, especially if it saves lives.

-Ben

On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Lee Hart via EV <[email protected]> wrote:

> Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>> While there are obvious virtues to have EVs emit sounds, and I will not
>> oppose the effort, what can we do to ensure the sounds are quiet enough
>> and pleasant?
> 
> It's always seemed to me that my EVs make plenty of noise (tires, wind, 
> transmission and differential gear noises, motor whine, controller whistles, 
> etc.) without having to add any explicit noisemakers. They're about the same 
> as most new ICEs. Some luxury ICEs are even quieter.
> 
>> Now, I don't expect the rulings to call for something that obnoxious.
>> But still, without some pushback, we may increase the amount of noise
>> from our current levels. That would be bad, in my opinion.
> 
> If we're going to set some new standard, I think it should apply to *all* 
> vehicles, ICE as well as EV. That will prevent EV-haters from legislating 
> obnoxious standard *on purpose* to discourage EVs. It would also put the 
> general public on our side, as they don't want their ICEs to be deliberately 
> made noisy or obnoxious.
> 
> -- 
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> to be both ignorant and free, expect what never was and never will be. -- 
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