>From what I have seen, there are two major reasons that so many Leafs are available at low prices: 1. Lease end. 3 years after starting the lease on a new EV, the Lease runs out and many EV'ers noticed how Nissan was not very forthcoming with honoring battery warranty and ever so slightly re-defining the terms of the warranty (by requiring the re-programming of the car to better calibrate the accuracy of the capacity indication, but according to the experience, this also meant that instead of changing the battery when it lost the original warrantied percentage of capacity, the battery actually had to drop more than that, 4 bars which is from the claimed 64Ah new to about 43 Ah and this means a battery is only replaced under warranty when it is down to 2/3 capacity. Many lessees saw the degradation of range happening in their vehicle and were not inclined to buy the car, so a large glut of cars has been spewing forth from Lease End occurrences. 2. Leaf owners (some had bought a used ex-Lease Leaf cheap) notice that while the vehicle might originally have been able to meet their range needs, the continuing decline of range due to capacity loss now makes their vehicle unsuitable for their daily driving needs, so they sell it. Plenty cheap 8, 9 and 10 bar Leafs on Craigslist. Ask about the bars that are still available on the display and most cases you don't even get an answer. I have helped two local Leaf'ers by installing a new battery with the better-than-new 66 Ah capacity so they can again enjoy their 5 years old vehicle as they did when they bought it. New packs should also show slightly lower deterioration (the so-called "Lizard" packs where the cell is slightly different chemistry to allow them to withstand high temperatures better). Time will tell how these packs will behave and I know for a fact that at least some 2015 are degrading in capacity as I have seen 2 Leafs from 2015 with loss of capacity, though I do not know if those packs were already "Lizard" cells that were introduced somewhere during 2015 if I am not mistaken. One 2015 with one bar loss was an auction sale of a 50,000 mile car from a security company. The other 2015 is a pack that I installed which was claimed to have only 5k miles but I suspect it was kept at 100% charge all the time and in a warm climate as it was down from 66 to 60Ah and some cells were starting to expand - a typical response to heat *and* high SoC.
Anyway - Leafs continue to be in demand, but a lot of them are the classical EV situation "needs new batteries" and thus go for ridiculous low prices. Of course it does not help that you can lease a Leaf for close to nothing and have no worry about batteries... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:36 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits? On 25 Oct 2016 at 0:12, via EV wrote: > What I had in batteries would buy a used Leaf now with low miles and 12 > bars. At least here in Seattle. Used Leaves are indeed going for unsettlingly low prices. I read an interesting and discouraging statistic recently: two-thirds of EV owners who trade in their cars replace them with ICEVs. That may be one reason that there's such a glut of used Leaves on the market (which in turn is why they're so cheap). It's also not too promising a sign for the future of EVs. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
