https://transportevolved.com/2015/09/11/confirmed-30-kwh-nissan-leaf-battery-packs-incompatible-with-older-nissan-leafs/
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Peri, > Unlikely. > While battery technology has been progressing quickly and we have seen > the Model S go through a series of incremental upgrades where the kWh > rating went up in 5 kWh steps for the same size of battery, it is > unlikely that Nisan will be able to shoe-horn more than twice the > current capacity into the same space under the vehicle and keep it > compatible. > The 2016 Leaf can be had with a 30kWh pack instead of 24 so that is a > possibility to get a new and incrementally better pack. > I suspect that Nissan will not provide the 30kWh pack with the same > connector as the 2011 Leaf has, but knowing the pin-out (it is the same > signals on different pins, we already saw this change going from the > 2011/2012 Leaf to the 2013+ where the control connector changed from > 4-row to a 6-row connector but has identical signals, so it would be > trivial to splice on a new connector and plug (send me a message if you > want to do this, I have a connector and the pack feed-through from a > 2011 that you can splice onto the 2013+ wiring to allow it to work in a > 2011 Leaf) > Only you will need to convince a Nissan Dealer to help you to pair your > new pack to your car in the Nissan service system so it generates a key > that needs to be entered on your car to accept the new pack, else you > can only drive around at 25 MPH. > There is one other option to get the 30kWh pack to work in a 2011 Leaf, > but I would have to see the internals of the new pack (number of cells > and layout) to be able to tell if it would be possible to use the old > BMS on the new pack, which would avoid contacting the Nissan service, > only the old BMS will need to learn that it has higher capacity cells to > better estimate range, even though it will work and balance like normal > on the old pack. > Learning new capacity takes more than a month of daily driving in my > experience. > > As I said, this is to get the 30kWh battery into the 2011 Leaf. I highly > doubt the 200 mile Leaf will have the same space for its battery, it is > likely that the car itself will be re-designed to create more space for > the pack so it will by definition not be compatible. > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info > > http://www.proxim.com > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of > this message is prohibited. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman > via EV > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 10:38 AM > To: Ed Blackmond; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Chevrolet Bolt EV Early Adopter promises, > androgynous-design and no-delays > > When Nissan comes out with their 200 mile battery, does anyone know if > it will be possible to upgrade a 2011 leaf with that battery? > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Ed Blackmond via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 22-Aug-16 9:36:25 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Chevrolet Bolt EV Early Adopter promises, > androgynous-design and no-delays > >> >>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:19 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> For all that, I have to admit, it has promising specs. It's just >>> that I >>> still can't get past GM's EV history. >> That worries me a bit too, but they are going to be available for >> purchase. The EV1 was not. >> >> I'm planning to replace my 2011 Leaf with a Bolt as soon as they become > >> available. If I can get 150 miles driving the way I drive, I will never > >> have to rent an ICE car again. >> >> The range of my Leaf is now down to about 55. The most I ever got was >> 81. Ever since buying the Leaf, there were things I decided not to do >> because I would have to rent a car to do them. I don't think that will >> be the case with the Bolt. >> >> Ed >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
