On 27 Feb 2016 at 8:56, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

> only falling from about 13v down to about 11v (deep discharge) 

Are you talking on load or open circuit?  

Normally 10.5v under load is considered flat for a 12v lead battery.  Below 
that voltage, the risk of cell reversal.increases.

Open circuit voltage is a pretty inaccurate SOC measure, but (again for 12v 
lead) 11.7v is considered flat, and 12.0v around 75% DOD.

It's the loaded voltage that matters when you calculate Watt-hours.

> so the average will be about 12v, times 100 = 1.2 kWh. 

As I said before, that's a reasonable approximation, but the actual Wh you 
can extract depends on the load.  How accurate do you need to be?

> But that 100 Ahrs is usually assessed at only a 25 amp draw. 

I don't know with what kind of battery that would be the case.  Maybe some 
lithium batteries are rated that way?  My experience with lithium batteries 
is limited, so I don't know.

I do know that with a typical consumer grade (not industrial) lead deep 
cycle battery, the advertised amp-hour rating is almost always the 20 hour 
rate (C20), not the 4 hour rate (C4).  Battery makers like the bigger 
number. 

I've even seen batteries for PV systems advertised at C100, for reasons I 
can't fathom.  

IIRC, industrial batteries are often rated at C6.

For a 12v marine battery, the reserve capacity is measured at 25 amps.  
That's always going to be less than the C20 rating (unless you can find a 
marine battery C20 rated at >= 500 amp hours).

As an example, the US Battery 27DC XC2 is C20 rated 105ah. Its RC is 205 
minutes, or 3.4 hours.  That gives it a 25a capacity of only 85ah.  

By Uve Rick's battery calculator, the 27DC XC2 would have a C4 of 87ah.

I'm not sure whether this makes things clearer.  :-\

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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