Cor, There is no author, no date, no publisher, no prior art, and no references. Was it in a journal, is the peer review? Has it been repeated? Is there a more complete copy or a place where it can be purchased?
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > David, > > Here is a paper describing the chemical and physical mechanisms inside a > Li-Ion cell > that cause self-discharge. Happy reading! > http://www.che.sc.edu/faculty/popov/drbnp/WebSite/MSA-calendar.pdf > > Regards, > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info > www.proxim.com > > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this > message is prohibited. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Nelson via > EV > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 4:37 PM > To: Bill Dube; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" (was: Bicycle battery) > > Bill, > > I have dug through many scientific papers on Li batteries and how they > work and I haven't been able to find anything about a theoretical > self-discharge mechanism. I have found some explicitly talking about the > lack of a charge shuttle mechanism like in lead-acid batteries, however. > > One paper I read has a section devoted to figuring out a charge shuttle > mechanism to add to a Li cell. It isn't a paper for the faint of heart, > however. It is "Nonaqueous Liquid Electrolytes for Lithium-Based > Rechargeable Batteries" by Kang Xu published in the Chemical Review, 2004, > Vol. 104, No. 10, pp. 4303-4417 and published on the web 09/16/2004. > > While I'm sure I don't get it 100% of the time I try to make sure I say, > "LiFePO4 cells have no theoretical self discharge mechanism." > This, according to all I have been able to find on the cells, is true. > Also, the most ardent anti-BMS people I have found have in fact done a lot > of searching of the scientific literature and came to the same conclusion. > It was not just something they made up to support their anti-BMS position. > > If you have other literature showing what the self-discharge mechanism is > please share it. > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This "zero self-discharge" myth seems to be a common thread with the > > "anti-BMS" crowd. I don't know where this misinformation comes from. > > > > All cells have self-discharge. It is just a matter of degree. > > Also, the self-discharge varies from cell to cell. That's why you need a > BMS. > > These are well-documented facts for all those that care to > > investigate, either through the scientific literature or by simply > > systematically testing cells for themselves (as Lee Hart has done.) > > > > I strongly suspect the "zero self-discharge" myth comes from > > the same unscientific source that the anti-BMS myth has sprung from. > > > > Bill D. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > -- > David D. Nelson > http://evalbum.com/1328 > http://www.levforum.com > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell [email protected] <[email protected]> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150619/32fcebff/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
