I think it is different than you say for Tesla. First off, EM really just wants to advance EVs. He knows he can make and lose money beyond our wildest dreams, and he mostly makes money to advance the industries he is trying to change. If can't be done another way, so he makes money. He has a 60 million dollar home he has no time to enjoy, and might not enjoy $60M worth if he had the time. If there is even such a thing as $60M of enjoyment.
His efforts with supercharging and swapping, just make that easier. Good PR, makes the irrational ideas go away - that Super & Swap are needed, and that they cannot be served up sufficiently for EVs to expand. They spend very little for the superchargers, because they get they real estate free. Commercial enterprises like having a reason for people who buy $100K cars to show up. The stated plan is to build out supercharging with large amounts of PV (from Solar City), selling excess to the grid. THey would happily charge other cars. Tesla has already opened up superchargers to manufacturers if they will just work out some just compensation for the construction and operation of the facilities. The power itself is not much of the cost. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Standard Oil (Chevron) did that in China in the 1890s. See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil > look for "standard oil in china", about 1/3 down the page. > > But, for charge stations, I'm pretty sure such a monopoly wouldn't work. > It could work for gas stations, to a degree, because there are so many of > them and the demand to use them is high. Even partitioning among > manufacturers would still leave a fairly large economy of scale. > > With EV charging, even if everyone used an EV, the demand for not-at-home > charging might not be high enough to gain economy of scale to make it worth > having a company's own charge network. That's certainly true today with > such a small market of EVs. > > Looking at Tesla's exception is interesting. I think it's reasonably > clear their motivation is not to have a monopoly on charging stations but > to simply enable their drivers to charge without worry - creating more > value for purchasing a Tesla. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Tesla, > once more stations are built out, starts letting non Tesla owners use their > stations (for a fee). > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Lee Hart via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 17-Mar-15 10:54:18 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the stupid idea that wont die... > > EVDL Administrator via EV<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Can you imagine what refueling your ICEV would be like today if a time >>>> traveler to 1900 accidentally stepped on a butterfly, and today, every >>>> car >>>> made required a different blend of fuel? >>>> >>> >> I agree. The last thing that consumers want is to grant the auto >> companies or power companies a monopoly on charging. Henry Ford once tried >> to buy up gas stations, but was thwarted by the government on anti-trust >> grounds. He reportedly said, "If I owned the filling stations, I'd GIVE >> away the cars!" >> >> Ed Blackmond via EV wrote: >> >>> But swapping packs is going to be rare in comparison to refueling an >>> ICEV today. Drivers will only need to swap when they need a larger capacity >>> pack and when they need to swap back to their normal capacity pack. >>> >> >> Everything depends on the situation, and the customer. Some customers >> will NEVER swap. Others will do it every day. >> >> Swapping packs makes sense for fleet users. They may do it every day, or >> even several times a day. It's not uncommon for fork lifts with swappable >> packs to run 3 shifts a day, with a fresh pack swapped in every shift (two >> on charge, one in use). >> >> I can imagine taxicabs, buses, delivery trucks, and the like doing the >> same thing. They might want the swap stations conveniently located along >> their route. >> -- We cannot waste time. 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