So the charge applies only to those feeding back into the grid?

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Michael Ross <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> No, I would look just like anyone else with no power feeding back into the 
> grid.   I can flip a switch right now and reach that state. They couldn't 
> make that fly.  I would have to pay for a new meter and base or something.
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> My guess is that the utility serves by address or parcel, in which case 
>> you're still considered being served by solar, and still need to pay those 
>> charges. You won't be able to "hide" it in a separate system.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Michael Ross <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can imagine - if the utilities make grid connections to solar a bad idea, 
>>> ten I divide my house into two systems.  On that is grid tied and running 
>>> for example, the refrigerator and lights.  Take other things off grid - the 
>>> garage, well pump, water heater, future car charging, the mostly unused 
>>> propane furnace and AC..  Not sure the mix but, get the power from PV and 
>>> store it, but not so I have to worry about  storing for really long dark 
>>> and rainy times.  Then pay minimally for grid use.  If I need to, I drag an 
>>> extension cord to the fridge from the solar side when the grid is out.  No 
>>> safety problems back powering the grid like that. Or if I need to run the 
>>> well pump after a dark time, switch it over to grid.
>>> 
>>> If it does make sense, look for someone marketing a clean way to do this 
>>> sort of thing.
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I have to disagree.
>>>> 
>>>> Ask him on a day where his panels are producing more than he can use what 
>>>> extra value he is getting from them. Then ask him on a day where he is not 
>>>> getting enough from the panels how much it would have been worth to have 
>>>> batteries.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are taking yourself off grid, not only do the batteries (or other 
>>>> energy storage method) produce value, but may even be essential.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >> A 20-year T-bill right now is only paying about 2.5%...
>>>> >> Even if it takes 20 years to pay off the battery system...
>>>> >
>>>> > Batteries are not a source of energy.  They produce nothing.  Solar 
>>>> > panels
>>>> > do.  Far better to spend X dollars available for more solar panels which
>>>> > pay off themselves in about 3 years and use the nearly free storage in 
>>>> > the
>>>> > grid.
>>>> >
>>>> > Self-storage (if you have access to the grid) consumes $2 out of every $3
>>>> > invested in Solar with zero benefit other than about 4 hours of backup
>>>> > electricity a year (around here with a 99.96% reliable grid).  That's
>>>> > spending several thousands of dollars for about 60 cents worth of
>>>> > electricity.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you don't have the grid, then sure, on-site storage is required.
>>>> >
>>>> > Oh, my zero-usage electric  bill is an $8 fixed rate "meter" fee per
>>>> > month, or $100 a year.  That is renting a 10,000 kWh storage system (the
>>>> > grid).  Or about 100 kWh per dollar.  Compare that with the 0.01 kWh per
>>>> > dollar for batteries.
>>>> >
>>>> > A 10,000 times better deal if there ever was one.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bob, WB4APR
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> -- 
> Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain 
> happiness, or should I help others gain happiness?  
> Dalai Lama 
> 
> Tell me what it is you plan to do
> With your one wild and precious life?
> Mary Oliver, "The summer day."
> 
> To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk.
> Thomas A. Edison
> 
> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought.
> Warren Buffet
> 
> Michael E. Ross
> (919) 550-2430 Land
> (919) 576-0824 Google Phone
> (919) 631-1451 Cell
> (919) 513-0418 Desk
> 
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