If a Tesla is to be sold as Salvageable, then prior to listing for sale it should be inspected by Tesla and results provided in the sale listing. Without the inspection and doc it should only be listable as unrepairable.
On October 2, 2014 10:04:14 AM CDT, Collin Kidder via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >I think that, by this point, we all agree on that point: the buyer did >not >receive what he thought he had received. I believe that the company >that >sold the salvage car likely did not realize the true situation either. >I >would think that the sell would fall into questionable legality given >the >circumstances. > >The lingering question, and point of disagreement, is whether Tesla has >any >legal or moral authority or sanction to disable a vehicle that they no >longer own. My view is that it is never acceptable for the originating >company to disable a device without the sanction of the current owner. >I >seriously doubt that the owner at the time of the crash really wanted >them >to totally disable the car remotely. Disabling the car is the >responsibility of the inertia sensors in the car. THAT is for >safety.These >things can be reset by the owner. Instead Tesla has electronically >disabled >the car in such a way that only they can unlock it. This is >unconscionable >as far as I'm concerned. This is not for safety. This is all so that >Tesla >can retain total control of something they have already sold. > >On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Haritech (Gmail) via EV ><[email protected]> >wrote: > >> I agree. The seller didn't understand what he was buying. That's >really >> the end of the story. >> >> He didn't buy it from Tesla so it's not Teslas jobs to ensure the >scrap >> was re manufacturable into a car. It is Teslas role/right to ensure >their >> name and brand is protected. >> >> Lawrence >> >> > On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:42, Ben Goren <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Haritech (Gmail) via EV ><[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Trouble is you didn't own the car when it was disabled. >> > >> > Then the sale was fraudulent, whether intentionally so or >otherwise. The >> buyer thought he was buying a salvageable car, not a pile of scrap >metal. >> > >> > But, considering that it's Tesla, not the seller, who's responsible >for >> turning what was, in fact, a salvageable car into a pile of >scrap...most of >> us would consider that either theft or destruction of property. >Morally, >> whether or not legally. >> > >> > Imagine the car has, instead of a regular glovebox, a safe...and >that >> the entire wiring harness goes through this safe, and all the fuses >are >> inside the safe. For safety reasons, the safe is designed to lock >itself >> when an accelerometer detects a crash...but, though the manufacturer >gave >> you the key to the front of the safe when you bought the car, they >> neglected to give you the key to the back of the safe that unlocks it >after >> a crash. They still have that key, but they won't give it to you, >even >> though you ostensibly own the car. >> > >> > Ethical companies do not pull these sorts of shenanigans. >> > >> > Tesla is well within its rights to publicly disclaim responsibility >for >> what this guy does with the car he's bought in known-damaged >condition from >> a third party. They don't have -- or, at least, _shouldn't_ have -- >the >> right to hinder him doing what he wants with the car, and that >includes >> maintaining control of parts of the car that they have no right >keeping out >> of the control of all their other owners. >> > >> > ...because, really: that's what this is all about. It's now >apparent >> that Tesla can turn <i>any</i> of their cars into scrap metal just by >> pressing a button, and if you don't like the fact that that's what >they've >> done, your only recourse is to sue one of the richest men on the >planet. >> "Good luck with that," as they say. >> > >> > b& >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141002/a5324e00/attachment.htm> >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141002/8055fcd6/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
