Too bad A123 went under.  Their cells would have been PERFECT.

You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules carried by evolve electrics 
(and possibly others, but I haven't seen them elsewhere).  They're more 
expensive than CALB/Thundersky but better suited to your application.  32Ah/44V 
at 160A continuous, 480A for 10 seconds.

http://www.enerdel.com/mp320-049-hc-bo-moxie-battery/
http://evolveelectrics.com/power-modules/

You might also try looking into Dow Kokam cells (www.kokam.com).  I'm not sure 
if they only sell to OEM's, but I think they sponsored John Wayland at one 
point.  Similar discharge rates to the enerdel.

-Ben

On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV <[email protected]> wrote:

> A while ago, I had done some back-of-the-envelope math that told me that I 
> didn't need to worry much about batteries until the time came to actually 
> pick which to buy. Now, thanks to y'all, I'm realizing that this may instead 
> be a show-stopper.
> 
> To recap, I have a chance to buy a 1964 1/2 Mustang in good shape for not 
> much money. The goal is to get something not unlike the driving experience of 
> a Volt, with an all-electric range of roughly a couple dozen miles and a 
> "traditional" Prius-style hybrid range limited only by the gas tank. The 
> thought is to replace most or all of the driveshaft with one or more electric 
> motors.
> 
> My initial calculations were simply to divide system volts (144) by cell 
> volts (3.2), and multiply that number (45) by unit Wh and price and weight 
> and volume and the like. Almost all the options I looked at gave at least 10 
> kWh for a couple-few grand at a weight less than the average American 
> passenger, so I stopped worrying about it.
> 
> But I now understand that many of those options would only be capable of 
> putting out 10-15 kW -- an order of magnitude shy of what a pair of 9" motors 
> would be capable of. And what's the point of having electric motors as 
> powerful as the combustion engine if the batteries make them act like a 
> garage door opener?
> 
> In the research I've done since then, it seems that the only ways to get to 
> something capable of supplying the motors with all they can ask for is either 
> to go with a full-sized battery pack, at much (*much!*) greater cost and 
> weight and volume or to go some exotic homebrew route that'll likely cost at 
> least as much, if not even more. In other words, lacking a relatively 
> inexpensive small battery pack capable of high discharge, there's nothing to 
> be saved by going the hybrid route. It'd still gain the extended range and 
> increased performance, but there'd be none of my anticipated cost or space or 
> weight savings -- quite the contrary.
> 
> I'm not yet ready to throw in the towel...but it would completely change the 
> dynamic of the project.
> 
> So...any chance anybody can point me in the direction of a 150 - 200 kW 
> capable battery with at least 7 kWh capacity (10+ kWh preferred) that 
> wouldn't break either the bank or the suspension?
> 
> I'm willing to put in the time assembling it from cells, but the only cells 
> I've found so far that I've thought might be up to the task would set me back 
> five figures, before any sort of management system or the hardware to package 
> them or the rest. Indeed, these cells:
> 
> http://www.quallion.com/new-pdf/QLI1250-18650.pdf
> 
> have pretty much perfect specs but I wouldn't be surprised if enough of them 
> cost as much as an entire Leaf....
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> b&
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