On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Jim Schaad <i...@augustcellars.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok – so this issue was raised at IETF 102.  (presentation 
> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/102/slides/slides-102-emu-eap-tls-with-tls-13-00)
>  
> Just reading the slides is not telling me what was the problem.  I think I am 
> going to need to hear the audio of the presentation.  I have an extremely 
> vague memory that there was an OpenSSL problem involved here but I would not 
> swear to that.  You might be a better description either from John Mattsson 
> or Jouni.

  IIRC it's that OpenSSL doesn't have an API to send a zero bytes of 
application data.  I think other TLS implementations have similar limitations.

  Regardless of what solution is implemented, the requirement is to have a 
positive acknowledgement that TLS setup is finished.  This step seems to be 
missing by default in TLS 1.3.

  I suspect that most uses of TLS will *always* send application data.  Which 
makes EAP-TLS an outlier.  Hence the need for hacks like "send application data 
as one octet of zero".

  Alan DeKok.

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