On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:33:07 -0400, you wrote:

>    When I hired a kid in the shop he served a four year apprentice ship 
>when he finished he was a second class machinist. After six years five 
>or six years he was first class  and was expected to take on an 
>apprentice that he hired.  In nine or ten years he was a master 
>machinist had a two machinists working for him and each of the 
>machinists had a second class machinist and several apprentice boys. 

Little different over here, apprenticeships were usually 5 or 7 years.

I did 7 years plus college, then another 2 at university.

We also had to attend "night school"  for periods of that as well as
doing a full days work.   

Nobody was allowed to do any unsupervised work for the first 2-3 years,
then after that they still had to have all their work checked and signed
off until they qualified.

You like your ranks in the USA :) 

Here you were either qualified, or not. They were all "first class"
after 7 years. The useless ones had all been fired well before then <G>.

Promotion to being in charge of other qualified men is just that, a
promotion, not an automatic right here.
 

Steve Blackmore
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