El 22/12/2008 12:52 a.m., Rafael Skodlar escribió: > Richard, this kind of response gives open source bad name. You have a > situation where something worked OK for others but not for you. I assume > that when they got it working on some systems they assumed it's OK and > put it on the list. Happens all the time. However, there is something > that you are completely ignoring, the fact that not all hardware works > happily together. PCI, USB, PPort, SATA, and other buses are standards, > i.e. they follow more or less (!) specs agreed on at some international > body. The reality is that most manufacturers try to twist whatever > params to their advantage. Integrators end up testing things to see what > works and what not. > I know some about open source, not too much, but i think more than the average. I try as much as i can to promote open source software, i know really good and big projects, known by everyone here, and the problems are always almost the same, when something does not work for someone, people behind the project starts a deffensive tactic, something like: "how could not work for you if it's working for me". Ok, that is the MAIN issue behind open source. I know it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, incredible sacrifice.. but support is so important, and people needs answers. I'm just trying to make people understand that i receive the same message over and over, because it mentions the same command, in the same line in the same file. Also i stupidly follow a direction to make a test, wich has given a new kind of error, but there are two scenarios because i'm trying two different configs. that were suppossedly working.
>> -OK, they asked to upgrade from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6, it will start to work, >> not completelly but it will work... >> fresh install, and, nothing worked. >> >> -Ted Hyde has offered his config files wich were working. (suppossedly) >> some suggested i'm some kind of dumb... hey, look, he's using 2.2.6 haha... >> >> > You said there is only one line of error message. While that might be > important, John if I'm not mistaken, asked about file > /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc > > I think they wanted you to cut/paste +/- lines from that file. Another > words, use command like > less /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc > check around line 10 cut/paste from it to email. > I understood this.... but this is a new scenario, because this is when using the config provided "with" the program on it's version 2.2.8, but the main scenario where i'm more interested is using the configs, that Ted Hyde provided me directly, there, on that scenario i am receiving the same error, the same line, the same command from the same file. > As a mater of fact, I would use mc (Midnigt Commander) and examine that > file line by line in hex mode to see if there are no illegal characters > (I'm assuming all should be simple ASCII text) and to see if the lines > are terminated properly (LF only). There is no end to frustration > chasing down errors with "text" files that were edited in some windoze > system and copied over to Linux. > This was provided by EMC2, i didn't touch nor edit anything, so i think i should'nt touch it at all.. because this is suppossed to be working as i have been told by...Peter?( i lost track, sorry, is bed time for me 3.00AM and have to wake up 7.00) > Similar is not good enough. Motherboards differ and it might be > worthwhile you try a different one. I don't know your circumstances, but > my guess is there must be another (newer) PC around that could be used > for an experiment. I would swap hard drive(s) and PCI IO card, and > reinstall from scratch. Installation is very fast. > There is no PCI IO card... everything except video is onboard, as they said it would be better. > While it might seem logical to have apt-get remove old stuff and install > it again for you, that doesn't necessarily happen always. Configuration > files tend to lay around (just in case) while apt-get makes you believe > they were removed. It all depends on the commands passed to it. > "--purge" and it said "purging EMC2 config files" so i tought i would be doing that. > We put up money sometimes for things that do not work as expected. > Governments do that all the time :-) > Tell me.... (Uruguay) > Why not buy another card, the 5I20 and use that one until the first one > gets better support if that's a problem? That was something a friend told me, but money on this side of the world is not cheap... even less than the other side of the world. We have bought the board for about 150 USD and ended paying about 500 for taxes and importing costs.... think about buying something for USD 300. > It's possible that card got > damaged during handling. Did you use antistatic mesures to prevent > damage when installed? Yes i did... > Was you motherboard under power when you plugged > in the card? 5V is there even when power is off in PC with cheaper PSUs > without a switch in the back. > I always switch off from the back, because all about power management is off and cant poweroff properly from O.S. > Think about it, you'll need to have spare system to minimize downtime in > case of trouble. When it comes to production, I would have a PC standby > to be put into use in case of problems. > This is by the time an "attempt to do something", we are not going to put a spare system until the main one works. > I would not push too hard on people who provide free support. They too > have to make a living in between giving free support. If I were you, I > would offer a case of wine or beer to anybody who provides the solution > to your problem first. > I meant about the part were it said "supported" i tought it was "properly supported" like "properly functional", not as "we provide support" hope it is understandable. Is not about the people, but the working hardware. > Perhaps you should find a more permanent place than pastebin to post > files and snapshots from your system. That way people could go back > without trying to search mail thread. > On pastebin y marked "forever" every time. > That's a bit of a surprise. Not reading the whole thread I thought you > were a newbie. You should know by now that things just don't always work > in OSS world. I was frustrated on numerous occasions when HW was not > supported in early years. It usually got better few months later. > I know that... but i'm on the same place as when started... well, i give a step or two but, only when going from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6, then stuck again til now. > When things keep going the same (bad) way you need to change the > direction. Remove or disconnect any unnecessary hardware from PC [*], > move PCI card in question to different slot, replace (noisy?) PSU, check > power voltage on the PCI card, replace video card, and try a new > motherboard if anything else fails. > Tryed 4 AGP video cards, started with a TNT, then passed to a Matros then a Vodoo3 and also tryed a SIS6326, tryed also a Trident9685 PCI and a Savage4 PCI There is no more hardware than motherboard, parport, cpu, hard drive, cdrom, memory and video card, no USB, no PCI cards, no onboard sound, modem, USB, lan or anything else, everything off, and power management also since i read about something going wrong about ACPI and RTAI. > [*] I would disconnect ethernet cards (or cable), CD drive, USB and such > to prevent IRQs that could cause a problem. > done that. > Sorry I could not tell you much. > > Good luck, > > -- > Rafael > > Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
