Dear Bernd & Charlie, Thanks for your advice!! For the time being, we have to put the safety instructions with the unit.
Best regards, Scott On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 15:54, Dürrer Bernd <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Scott, > > > > I agree with Charlie Blackham’s conclusions on instructions in electronic > format embedded in the device. I am not aware of any plans to amend LVD and > RED to align their requirements on instructions with the new Machinery > regulation. However, as the monetary and environmental costs due to > extensive paper-based documentation has been identified as one of the > problems of the old Machinery Directive (cf. > eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52021SC0082&rid=3, > p. 21 and 41ff.), I hope that there will be an initiative to introduce an > option for digital documentation also in other directives and regulations. > > > > Currently, you have to follow Charlie’s advice to provide a short printed > guide with the mandatory instructions and safety information. If you are > lucky and all mandatory information for your product can be presented > graphically, you may avoid to translate the document to the 24 official EU > languages and the additional 3 languages of states in the European Economic > Area (EEA) and the EU-Turkey Customs Union (DocsRoom - European > Commission (europa.eu) <https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/38022>, > p. 246). > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Bernd > > > > > > > > *Von:* Scott Xe <[email protected]> > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 15. August 2023 08:24 > *An:* Dürrer Bernd <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] SV: [PSES] User manual by accompanying > documents or via affixed QR > > > > [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. > Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. > > Dear Bernd, > > > > Although LVD and RED are modern directives, they are considered old > compared with MR issued in 2023. Could the view on instructions in > electronic format be aligned all together one day? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > Scott > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 13:27, Scott Xe <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Bernd, > > > > Thanks for your good references! The LVD and RED do not decline the > instructions in electronic format. What about those instructions embedded > in the ROM as the memory is not expensive as before? For example, mobile > phones, TVs, etc. > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 15:14, Dürrer Bernd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Amund, > > > > In the European Union, it depends on the Directive that is applicable for > your product. Both the Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU > (L_2014096EN.01035701.xml > (europa.eu) > <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0035#d1e32-371-1>, > Article 6, Point 7, Article 8, Point 4, and Article 9, Point 2) and the > Radio Directive 2014/53/EU (Consolidated TEXT: 32014L0053 — EN — > 27.12.2022 (europa.eu) > <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02014L0053-20221227#tocId84>, > Article 10, Point 8, Article 12, Point 4, and Article 13, Point 2) require > that manufacturers, importers, and distributors ensure that the product is > accompanied by instructions and safety information. Only new regulation > (EU) 2023/1230 that will replace Machinery Directive in January 2027 allows > to provide instructions in digital format (L_2023165EN.01000101.xml > (europa.eu) > <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32023R1230&qid=1688119698228#d1e1695-1-1>, > Article 10, Point 7). > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Bernd > > > > *Von:* John Woodgate <[email protected]> > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 13. August 2023 19:14 > *An:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or > via affixed QR > > > > [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. > Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. > > No. I don't see so many EU documents as others here do, and it is very > difficult, as you know, to find a document when you don't know a document > title to look for. I am remembering information posted here quite a long > time ago. > > On 2023-08-13 17:56, Amund Westin wrote: > > Yes, I was thinking that a short paper guide would help. URL link is > important as you say, and QR are actually for advanced mobile users. > > > > Have you seen this issue been discussed in “Blue Guide” or other EU > documents? > > > > > > > > > > *Fra:* John Woodgate > *Sendt:* 13. august 2023 18:43 > *Til:* [email protected] > *Emne:* Re: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or via affixed QR > > > > I believe that in Europe, it is not allowed. Current practice seems to be > to include with the product a short 'User Guide' or similar, which > includes the safety information required by the relevant safety standard, > and the DOC(s), together with a text link of the URL of the full User > Manual. You could include a QR code in addition, but not instead of the > text link, because about 15 % of people don't have a smart phone or don't > know much about using it for anything but calls, text messages and the > camera. > > On 2023-08-13 16:57, Amund Westin wrote: > > To avoid a lot of paper use, it is possible to leave a short instruction > with the product to enter a web site or use affixed QR code (on product) to > get access to the User manual and other relevant documentation? > > Should such a symbol Link https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:grs:7000:3500 > also be attached when using QR code? > > > > Best regards > > Amund > > > ------------------------------ > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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