Thanks for the input Ken - as always!! On Wed, Jan 11, 2023, 11:24 AM Ken Javor <[email protected]> wrote:
> * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > [email protected] <[email protected]> * > ------------------------------ > A few facts for those reading who don’t know much about the EMC > certification process. > > 1. It was started in the late ‘80s due to concerns of NAVAIR about the > quality of EMC engineering provided by their contractors. At the time, it > was predicted that NAVAIR and other DoD entities would be requiring NARTE > certification of EMC engineers and technicians as a condition of employment > by their contractors. I expect, but do not know/recall, that at least > NAVAIR required certification of their EMC personnel, and tried to enforce > on their contractors, as well. I do not recall any other DoD entity > actually requiring the certification. > > > > 2. There was considerable debate about how rigorous the certification > process should be. In the mid-‘70s, the TEMPEST world instituted rigorous > testing: both written and a measurement that required finding a real > TEMPEST signal. The end result, in addition to well-qualified personnel, > was a deficit of available folks, which drove up the cost of qualified > TEMPEST personnel. Big time. Anyway, they were determined to not repeat > that experience with EMC. For one thing, they grandfathered in existing > EMC folks with ten year’s experience, myself included. > > 3. I have kept up both my engineer and technician certifications ever > since, on the perhaps superstitious basis that if I ever let them lapse, > then is when I would find a need for them. It isn’t obvious that people > whose careers have been largely or totally in the commercial world would > see any benefit from the NARTE certification process. The original “need” > was driven by DoD, and while NARTE attempted to broaden their prospective > customer base by inventing all manner of new certifications, that was not > customer-driven at all. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Grasso, Charles" <[email protected]> > *Reply-To: *"Grasso, Charles" <[email protected]> > *Date: *Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:09:44 -0700 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] Good Morning - bad breakup? > > Agreed Ghery - I mistakenly did not grandfather in when I had the > opportunity and have not got the iNarte cert. I have the same experiences > as you. > Having said that: What I have found is that, outside of the rote testing > and management of the compliance discipline, the role of the EMC Engineer > is less well defined and the iNarte cert would add some credibility to the > technical offerings. One time I was offeriig technical input and an engineer > called it "crackpot theories" . I wear the moniker proudly! > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 9:58 PM Ghery Pettit <[email protected]> wrote: > > > * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > [email protected] <http://[email protected]> * > ------------------------------ > Patrick, > > I let my iNARTE certification end the end of 2022. I had held this > certification since it was created. Never once did an employer seem to > care about it. Personal experience. Take it for what it is worth. > > Ghery S. Pettit > > > *From:* Patrick <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2023 7:28 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Good Morning - bad breakup? > > > So, it's true! > > > > With most breakups, parties hire lawyers and split assets. Since I'm both > an iNARTE Certified EMC Engineer and Member IEEE EMC Society, I wonder > which party will claim me? ;-) > > > > On the serious side, I wonder if employers will continue to value either > certificate. Did they ever? > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 16:49 Richard Nute <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The IEEE EMC Society has withdrawn from the Memorandum of Understanding > with Exemplar Global. > > https://www.emcs.org/ > <https://www.emcs.org/> > (scroll down to “iNARTE MoU Status”) > > Best wishes for the New Year! > Rich > > > > *From:* Manny Barron <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2023 11:14 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Good Morning - bad breakup? > > > I came across this publication a few days ago, see attached file, but I > can't remember where I downloaded from. Also I couldn't find any > information about it on the EMC Society website: https://www.emcs.org/ > <https://www.emcs.org/> > > > > So it appears to be true based on a 3rd party publication, but it would be > best to hear it from the EMC Society or iNarte. > > > > Manny Barron > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 9:21 AM Patrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi All - > > > > I read an article this weekend where IEEE EMC Society is breaking up with > iNARTE. > > I struggle to find verification of this. > > > > Wondering if this is fake-news, or did they really end the relationship? > > > > -Patrick > > > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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