Hi Matthew, Very interesting. Does that mean that manufacturers who use module A or B+C to demonstrate compliance with 3.1.a of RED or LVD could actually rely on their EN 62368-1:2014 test reports for possibly 3 more years or longer?
Best regards, Doug From: Matthew Larkin <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] dow date for EN 62368-1:2014 ? Hi Charlie Correct CENELEC TC108x has decided to not pursue citation with 3rd Edition. Best Regards Matthew --------- Original Message --------- Sender : Charlie Blackham <[email protected]> Date : 2021-12-13 14:41 (GMT+0) Title : Re: [PSES] dow date for EN 62368-1:2014 ? Doug I don’t have the citation, but understand that there’s a general rule that standards added to OJ listing provide (at least) an 18 month period before existing standard is superceded That said, there are a large number of reasons why the EU Commission have rejected 62368-1 3rd edition as a Harmonised Standard, so I’m not expecting it to be listed (EN 62368-1:2014 was listed under the previous acceptance criteria and published on the “C” list on Eur-Lex and my understanding is it wouldn’t meet the more stringent requirement to provide legal conformity to be listed on the “L” list as is now required for all Harmonised Standards) Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=47c10c8b-185a35c6-47c087c4-0cc47aa8f5ba-a85b2324af9a695a&q=1&e=2808e23f-7fa5-400a-a41a-8255b859cb47&u=https*3A*2F*2Fsulisconsultants.com*2F__;JSUlJQ!!EJc4YC3iFmQ!CFZVpe3xd4XZjVwAGUXGfvIX8iX63xxn5uBko8F-U_3y35YmO022nL9-9QPjiV_m0A$> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Kealey, Doug <[email protected]> Sent: 13 December 2021 14:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] dow date for EN 62368-1:2014 ? Thank you Boštjan, Your response is very helpful. If EN 62368-1:2020+A11:2020 is listed in OJEU in December 2022, do you think they will delay the DoW date for EN 62368-1:2014 until 12 or 24 months after Jan 06 2023? Is there a rule or a precedent that the Commission will delay it? Best regards, Doug From: Boštjan Glavič <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 11:11 PM To: Kealey, Doug <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: dow date for EN 62368-1:2014 ? CAUTION - EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click any links or open any attachments unless you trust the sender and know the content is safe. Hi Doug, As there is no successor of EN 62368-1:2014 listed in OJEU, there is no DoW for this one. Date of Cessation in your standard is is for Cenelec (standardization) purpose only. So EN 62368-1:2014 will continue to be harmonized standard after Jan 06 2023. Best regards, Boštjan From: Kealey, Doug <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 5:42 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] dow date for EN 62368-1:2014 ? Hi All, In my copy of EN IEC 62368-1:2020+A11:2020 (3rd edition), the dow date for the cessation of the 2nd edition shows as Jan. 6, 2023. If the OJ does not list the 3rd edition as a harmonised standard until after Jan. 6, 2023 (let’s pretend the OJ harmonises the 3rd edition on May 1, 2023), will 2nd edition remain a harmonised standard until at least May 1, 2023? OR will there exist a situation for approx 4 months, during which there is no harmonised standard for this category of products? We have a plan that accounts for this scenario, but if I get pulled into a discussion about the way this technically unfolds, I want to be prepared to answer. Any precedents you can recall for safety standards? Perhaps a past situation where a new revision was late in being cited in the OJ as a harmonised standard, did the Commission push out the dow date several additional months past the date of being cited in the OJ, to give manufactures more time to complete their technical files and update their DoC’s? Thanks so much, Doug Kealey ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be Garmin confidential and/or Garmin legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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