Rich
My approach at HP Bristol in the late 1980s’s was much the same, and with pretty much the same results during certification and then the follow-up inspections – although: * We did get caught out when building a product for another division because one plastic part met the material flammability spec on the dwgs, but the other division had changed the originally-certified material for a lower UL94-rated alternative, and the FUS inspector picked that up and “stopped the line”! * We nearly got caught out by a FUS inspection when a quick check on the line by my colleague, after the inspector arrived but before he got to that line, found the wrong labelling mtl in the printers – “fixed” by the time the inspector did get to it! 😊 I left the company soon after that (a “management” issue – my then new “manager” tried to treat me like someone just out of college, instead of someone who actually did know what had to be done, what was required, and how to do it! ☹ ) so I don’t know how it went later on, but I left a good system in place and I hope it lasted (at least until the Bristol plant was closed some years later). “People” seem to forget the “simplest things” are often of considerable importance in both certification and FUS activities – notably that these should actually be “formal processes” which must be established and tested, and then followed and implemented. John E Allen W. London, UK. From: Richard Nute <[email protected]> Sent: 27 June 2021 00:47 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday question Hi Doug: My employer had a course entitled “Zero Defects.” We were encouraged to apply it to our function. Mine, of course, was safety certification and all that it entailed. Good course as it wanted a scorecard for each activity. Using the scorecard, all my submittals went without action items. Okay, a few action items that I successfully showed them where they were wrong. I took to arguing with the cert engineer. In one case, he wouldn’t accept my argument, so I took the product to another cert house and was successful. I applied the same process to follow-up inspections. After a year or so of no defects, the certification house was upset. So, they sent a bigwig to accompany the inspector (probably to check whether I was intimidating the inspector). No defects! Rich From: Douglas E Powell <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:55 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] Friday question Out of curiosity, I would like to know (especially from those who have been in the business for a while) what is your "first pass success rate" for safety certifications on new product introductions? That is, to achieve a product safety certification from an accredited laboratory with no action items required coming out of the preliminary design review. It's helpful if you can indicate how complex the projects are. In my 26 years as a compliance engineer, I've observed possibly three in total for products with a reasonably high complexity. Thanks! 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