Hello Peter, Please check §70 of the LVD Guide, available at https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/31221. This paragraph explains the relationship between Low Voltage and Machinery Directive. A fan is a product that is machinery as defined in MD, Article 2. If the fan is intended for domestic use as a household appliance, then it is excluded from the MD and covered by the LVD (MD, Article 1(k)). Please note that article 1(k) also excludes information technology equipment and ordinary office machinery from the MD. If a product is in the scope of the machinery directive, but has an electricity supply (MD, Annex I, 1.5.1), the safety objectives of the LVD apply to this product, and harmonized standards listed under the LVD in the OJEU are applicable (e.g. EN 61800-5-1 for a variable speed drive). In this case, the CE Declaration of conformity refers only to the MD, but also references the applicable standards of the LVD. If there are no applicable product safety standards for your specific product listed under the LVD, then the generic standard EN 60204-1 listed under the MD is applicable.
If your product also includes a radio interface (e.g. Bluetooth, WLAN, but also GPS or RFID), then it is also in the scope of the RED: For a product in the scope of the MD, the CE DoC shall refer to both MD and RED. For a product that would be in the scope of the LVD without this interface, the CE DoC shall refer solely to the RED, but LVD product safety standards are still applicable. Kind regards, Bernd -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Peter Tarver <[email protected]> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. September 2020 22:36 An: [email protected] Betreff: [PSES] Applicability of the Machine Directive Hello. For the following, I have (nearly) concluded that the Machinery Directive applies, but I have some lingering uncertainty. I'm looking for reasonable arguments to say that it does or doesn't apply before I dive headlong into the tasks related to supporting a declaration against the Machinery Directive. Consider a product that is completely sealed but contains a rotating mass. The mass rotates as a primary part of the product's function. In the strictest sense, it is (or contains) a machine. However, any number of products contain rotating masses (e.g., fans) that are not generally subject to the Machinery Directive and which have other standards under the Low Voltage Directive that address the relevant safety concerns. Among the many use cases for the product are autonomous or robotic mail delivery and security systems, which will move along the ground or along floor surfaces. These pieces of motive host equipment would require application of the Machinery Directive. For these and other use cases,the product could serve as a safety component, though perhaps not in any traditional sense, but within the context of Annex V of the Machinery Directive. There are no specific standards in the OJ list of harmonized standards that apply directly to the product's primary applications function, so I assume EN 60204-1 will apply, with perhaps some peripheral standards that are in the OJ list. FWIW, I've performed a review of the mechanical hazards using IEC 62368-1 and found that the product falls squarely into MS1. What ever arguments you can make either in favor of applying the Machinery directive or against it are welcomed and encouraged. I look forward to hearing from you. Peter - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd1aefc4c63d94fc5583308d860c96e2b%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637365765551895764&sdata=5DEAlJbo5df5gu%2FsDu7a2z1sFcslEJpGfkYBHDXuPQ8%3D&reserved=0 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fproduct-compliance.oc.ieee.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd1aefc4c63d94fc5583308d860c96e2b%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637365765551895764&sdata=fKZX%2FgptHjxnHMK%2FQ3cOuMcH8AAyIIwEPFcAonGOlSw%3D&reserved=0 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd1aefc4c63d94fc5583308d860c96e2b%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637365765551895764&sdata=X55HZoa7CAyi1NZ7MRX7NnVG2RDm7kOR1h7PGCWgsx0%3D&reserved=0 Instructions: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flist.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd1aefc4c63d94fc5583308d860c96e2b%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637365765551895764&sdata=fT8KYfRV2Pc7V8gMWqsePDoCgVNcXWoY99fqoqbZVY4%3D&reserved=0 (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flistrules.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd1aefc4c63d94fc5583308d860c96e2b%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637365765551905757&sdata=%2FvxbyV0ngiNZTw6DVRz6N5jB5H9KlIc90jiz3sEyHRI%3D&reserved=0 For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]> [Fabrikam] ________________________________ WILO SE Wilopark 1, 44263 Dortmund Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 21356 www.wilo.com Vorstand/Executive Board: Oliver Hermes (President & CEO), Dr. Patrick Niehr, Georg Weber, Mathias Weyers Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Prof. Dr. Norbert Wieselhuber Dieses Dokument ist vertraulich zu behandeln. Die Weitergabe sowie Vervielfaeltigung, Verwertung und Mitteilung seines Inhalts ist nur mit unserer ausdruecklichen Genehmigung gestattet. Alle Rechte vorbehalten, insbesondere fuer den Fall der Schutzrechtsanmeldung. This document has to be treated confidentially. Its contents are not to be passed on, duplicated, exploited or disclosed without our expressed permission. All rights reserved, especially the right to apply for protective rights. Datenschutz ist uns wichtig! Daher gehen wir sorgsam mit Ihren Daten um. Näheres finden Sie in unseren Datenschutzhinweisen<https://wilo.com/de/de/Wilo-Deutschland/Datenschutzhinweise.html>. Sollten Sie keinen Kontakt mehr mit uns wünschen, wenden Sie sich bitte an [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Data Protection is important to us! Therefore we handle your data carefully. Please find the details in our Note on Data Protection<https://wilo.com/de/de/Note-on-data-protection.html>. If you do not wish to stay in touch with us anymore, please write to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
