On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:12 AM, John Kitchin <jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > Using evil-mode is not "using vim" IMHO. I think this is a question of > do you want modal editing or not (I suppose it could also be do you want > emacs-lisp or vimscript, but that is not the impression I get these days > ;). With emacs you can have either traditional emacs editing (one-mode: > edit) or modal editing like vim (for the most part). And you can still > use emacs-lisp to customize the environment so you can have things like > org-mode.
Totally agreed. I possibly learned of evil-mode via Aaron as mentioned by Peter: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWD1Fpdd4Pc It's been on my todo list to try... I just haven't yet. I see evil-mode as using some of the better navigation aspects of vim inside the already awesome org-mode. Indeed, one of Aaron's main points (and he struck me as a power user of both emacs and vim, so I think he has the background to make the claim) is why anyone would try to replicate all the awesomeness of emacs/org in something like vim when it already exists. My takeaway is that evil-mode acknowledges that folks want to be in emacs for it's features, while also acknowledging that emacs keybindings can be horrible (and vim's are better). John > > I have seen a growing movement towards modal editing in emacs, e.g. > evil-mode, spacemacs, hydra, avy/ivy, etc... and even do some things > modally myself with those tools. > > Peter Neilson writes: > >> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:57:40 -0400, Matt Price <mopto...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I've never used Vim but I see a lot of people online raving about evil >>> mode >>> and how much they love it. I'm considering giving it a whirl after the >>> semester ends & I get some free time. I just wondered whether any heavy >>> org >>> users here on the list use evil, and if so, whether you see pain points >>> within org-mode -- my setup is pretty heavily customized, for instance, >>> and >>> I wonder whether that means it will be quite painful to use evil. >> >> You will also find people asking why anyone would ever think of using vim. >> One of those is Aaron Bieber. >> https://blog.aaronbieber.com/2016/01/30/dig-into-org-mode.html >> >> I use vim only when unavoidable, and I simply pretend it is ed (of ancient >> Unix days). Or maybe I just use ed. I would not bother trying to use ed to >> access org, and thus would not be tempted to use vi, vim or evil mode for >> org, either. One fine day, long, long ago, I had to use a Vax that did not >> have emacs, vim, vi or ed. It did have whatever DEC was using for an >> editor, but I didn't know how to use it instantly. What to do? What to do? >> I tried running TECO. Yes, it had TECO! Saved! (Sort of.) >> >> Why use vim if emacs is already built into your fingertips? > > > -- > Professor John Kitchin > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu >
