Yes, it's amusing.

In my own work I use the Postgres backend; I know very little about SleepyCat.  It seems
to me that this is more of a SleepyCat issue, then an Elephant issue.  Perhaps you should
ask the SleepyCat list?

Are you importing things into SleepyCat directly in the correct serialization format that
they can be read by Elephant?  If so, I assume it is just a question of solving the SleepyCat
problems.

An alternative would be to use the SQL-based backend.  However, I doubt this will solve
your problem, since at present we (well, I wrote it) use a very inefficient serialization scheme
for the SQL-based backend that base64 encodes everything.  This had the advantage that
it makes it work trouble-free with different database backends, but could clearly be improved upon.
However, it is more than efficient enough for all my work, and at present nobody is clamoring
to have it improved.

Is your problem importing the data or using it once it is imported?  It's hard for me to imagine
a problem so large that even the import time is a problem --- suppose it takes 24 hours --- can
you not afford to pay that?

A drastic measure and potentially expensive measure would be to switch to a 64-bit architecture
with a huge memory.  I intend to do that when forced by performance issues in my own work.



On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 00:46 -0700, Red Daly wrote:
I will be running experiments in informatics and modeling in the future 
that may contain (tens or hundreds of) millions of objects.  Given the 
ease of use of elephant so far, it would be great to use it as the 
persistent store and avoid creating too many custom data structures.

I have recently run up against some performance bottlenecks when using 
elephant to work with very large datasets (in the hundreds of millions 
of objects).  Using SleepyCat, I am able to import data very quickly 
with a DB_CONFIG file with the following contents:

set_lk_max_locks 500000
set_lk_max_objects 500000
set_lk_max_lockers 500000
set_cachesize 1 0 0

I can import data very quickly until the 1 gb cache is too small to 
allow complete in-memory access to the database.  at this point it seems 
that disk IO makes additional writes happen much slower.  (I have also 
tried increasing the 1 gb cache size, but the database fails to open if 
it is too large--e.g. 2 gbs.  I have 1.25 gb physical memory and 4 gb 
swap, so the constraint seems to be physical memory.)  the max_lock, 
etc. lines allow transactions to contain hundreds of thousands of 
individual locks, limiting the transaction throughput bottleneck

What are the technical restrictions on writing several million objects 
to the datastore?  Is it feasible to create a batch import feature to 
allow large datasets to be imported using reasonable amounts of memory 
for a desktop computer?

I hope this email is at least amusing!

Thanks again,
red daly
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