Been there, done that Mike😉  Led to my rule with baluns/transformers:  If it gets hot, get a bigger toroid.  Lacking a larger toroid, you can rewind it using two stacked cores, but one bigger one is better.  A problem with my experiment at the radio-->int tuner-->ext tuner was that the ext tuner is really just a passive 2-port impedance transformation network and it can easily transform your feedpoint impedance to something wildly different than 50+j0 ohms which the internal tuner then tries to match.  My result was that even small frequency excursions caused widely varying impedances at the ATU terminal.  Until beefing up the transformer [balun], I solved it by tuning the ext tuner first using an antenna analyzer and then connecting to the radio and letting the ATU do it's thing.  Worked but I was still glad to simplify the arrangement.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Michael Carter via Elecraft <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Tuesday, March 11, 2025 3:04 PM
Hi Bob,

Thanks for your comment. As I noted in our private email exchange, the Johnson Matchbox was a last-minute substitution for an Elecraft BL-2 balun that was overheating on some bands at 100 watts. I had not been using that configuration previously, but faced with the choice of going QRP or QRT in the ARRL DX CW contest at its commencement, I opted to put the Matchbox in place of the balun. I used that same configuration again for my brief foray in the ARRL DX SSB weekend, and that led to my original post here about K3 TX power foldback with only modest rises in SWR presented to the internal ATU.

For my particular antenna and feedline length, the indications are that common-mode currents are high on several bands, which is not surprising to me. The Matchbox can reduce the SWR presented to the rig on some bands, but not all of the ones I needed for good contest outcome. That motivated use of the internal ATU rather than just putting the ATU in 'BYPASS' mode and relying on the Matchbox alone.

I agree that using a good, high common-mode impedance choke is preferable to the Matchbox, and the internal ATU of my K3 is quite capable of handling the native SWR presented by the antenna/feedline using the balanced-to-unbalanced transformer in its 1:1 configuration. It appears that the balun's common-mode impedance is not sufficient to reduce the common-mode currents presented by my particular antenna/feedline system. That's not the balun's fault, and one day soon I'll measure its common-mode impedance to better understand its power-handling limitations.

With thanks as always for your insight and comments,

73,
Mike, K8CN
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