Honorable Forum:

I'd like to see some serious discussion of how ecology as a science and ecosystem management as a subdiscipline could better inform "game" management as a professional practice and a political phenomenon.

Increasingly, it seems that we, as a society, are regressing back to the time when the King's and Queen's owned all wildlife. That is, the people who actually live in the wild are effectively prohibited from hunting and fishing, for example, through supposedly "democratic" lotteries for "tags" that the unwealthy can't afford. This forces those priced out of this "market" to poach, and what little data comes from the occasional arrest is worse than useless. The King's and Queen's from distant cities fly in, bang their buck, and the local businesses get a bigger bang for the buck from servile service to these head-hunters than from the local customers they already have--those who aren't in jail or who have had to allocate the scarce discretionary income they can scrape up to the government, money they can't spend in local stores and for local services. This, of course, is primarily a political aspect of the issue, but has its roots in a well-intentioned conservation "ethic."

I'd like to hear from across the spectrum what biologists and ecologists and others interested have to say about this subject in general and the cited hypothetical in particular.

WT

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E. Welker" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] the precautionary principle makes sense and should be applied to GCC arguments


White-tailed Deer and Beaver?

MW

----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Tyson
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 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] the precautionary principle makes sense and should be applied to GCC arguments


 Passenger pigeon, anyone?

 WT


----- Original Message ----- From: "James Crants" <[email protected]>
 To: <[email protected]>
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] the precautionary principle makes sense and should
 be applied to GCC arguments


 > On the contrary, examples exist (sea mink, cod) of animal communities
 > being
>> greatly diminished at the hands of the very people turning a profit from
 >> their harvesting.
 >>
 >> Phil
 >
 >
 > The tragedy of the commons.  The benefit from harvesting a resource
 > accrues
> only whoever collects it (and probably to some middlemen), while the costs
 > are shared by everyone with a stake in the resource.  The economically
 > rational thing to do, on the individual level, is to harvest as much as
 > you
> can, but this produces the collective result of putting all the harvesters > out of business. The only way for them to stay in business is for them to
 > accept some set of rules (either their own or someone else's) that keeps
> them, collectively, from over-harvesting. If the resource is very scarce, > the rules might say not to harvest at all, on the assumption that all the
 > rule-breakers will harvest at unsustainable or barely-sustainable rates.
 >
 > It's an economic theory, but while almost every ecologist I've talked to
> about it seems to be familiar with it, every time I've mentioned it to an
 > economist, I've gotten a blank stare in return.
 >
 > Jim
 >
 >
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