On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 12:40 -0700, Professa Dementia wrote:
> > Google has already admitted that they do not delete email, even when Google does many may many non compliant things. > those emails are deleted from the Trash. Google states that emails may > be archived for a minimum of 2 months past when they are deleted - > emails, may, however, be saved forever. You do not know. Google has It's just one of many many reasons why I don't, and wont, ever use privacy invading scum like gmail. > people's personal information. Google is large enough that they are > under scrutiny and have to obey EU privacy laws. However, adding this > feature to Dovecot could put smaller email operators in violation of > those laws. Not deleting emails when the client says to, is effectively How so, although I can not see anyone I know using such a feature in the hosting/ISP world, I could see it used in corporate sense - in Australia for instance, businesses are required to keep company correspondences (incl email) for at least five years, so if I ever moved to the private sector, I guess my opinion may change and I may enable it. Should be of no concern to the EU (and I credit the EU when it comes to privacy matters), as it would need to be manually added option by the server admin, ie: not default - your car can go to 200+ K/hr, but you don't get in and floor it every day do you. Incidentally, the last time I read the pop3 RFC, admittedly some decade or so ago (and yeah it's likely been updated since?) I can not recall there ever being a "MUST" or "SHOULD" when it comes to deleting messages (it might have been deliberately omitted) apart from the server MUST NOT delete messages that are not marked for deletion. > The problem is already solved by the POP client. Most have a setting > that allow emails to remain on the server for a period of time. The > default is generally 5 days, but can be set to any value desired. Apple > Mail, Thunderbird and outlook all have this feature. Most smartphones > also have this feature, including the iPhone, Blackberry and Android unfortunately many users are nowhere near as smart as their smartphones/clients, with BYOD becoming more prevalent (something I for privacy/security reasons do not agree with permitting), those users need set their own equipment up, and may not configure leave on server, etc, violating laws or company policies). > > So in conclusion, in my experience, this feature is not one that has > been requested, it makes Dovecot more complex and behave in ways not 20 lines of code and manually having to add a single word to pop options is complex? I'm one for KISS, as those networks rarely, if EVER, have problems, since there is nothing to go wrong, but even I have no objections to such an option, despite never intending to use it. Cheers Noel
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