I recall a discussion several years about having a site that would have all of 
the keys accumulated over time.  A query to it would return the current key.  
It's roughly analogous to using a root hints file to find a current root server 
and from that the full set of current servers.

This wouldn't be hard to do, but it also wasn't considered terribly urgent.

Steve 

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> On Nov 16, 2016, at 11:26 AM, william manning <chinese.apri...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Johan Ihren and I and Olaf had a competing ID that delt with shelf life and 
> embedded devices w/o an easy way to update key info.  RFC 5011 won out since 
> shelf life and embedded devices were considered edge cases.
> 
> /Wm 
> 
>> On Wednesday, 16 November 2016, Tony Finch <d...@dotat.at> wrote:
>> Wessels, Duane <dwess...@verisign.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't think its possible to have a solution that works for devices on
>> > the shelf for an arbitrarily long time.  You posed the problem as 10
>> > years, which I think is an unrealistically long time.
>> >
>> > You could probably have a useful discussion about what is an appropriate
>> > amount of time for something to be on the shelf and still expect it to
>> > work.  If there is some consensus on that then the operators of the key
>> > material can design around it.
>> 
>> Good points.
>> 
>> I think 10 years is definitely ambitious, but we do have multiple existing
>> points of comparison:
>> 
>> (1) Lifetime of X.509 trust anchors
>> 
>> e.g. www.iana.org (where the DNSSEC root trust anchor is distributed)
>> has a cert that chains up to the DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA which
>> is 10 years old and expires 15 years in the future.
>> 
>> (2) Root DNS server IP addresses
>> 
>> 8 of the 13 servers have the same IPv4 address as they had in 1999, which
>> is plenty for establishing a quorum of witnesses.
>> 
>> Tony.
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