On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:57 PM, Paul Ebersman <list-dn...@dragon.net> wrote:

Sorry, I replied to a message prior to your reply to me, and so I sort of 
answered these points, but just to clarify:

>  - service providers who want a way to avoid breaking things for
>    customers while not being operationally complicated/insane
> 
> Doing autogen'd PTRs in v6 violates the anti-spam folks' needs. Not
> having any PTR at all for consumers potentially violates the ISP needs.
> 
> Things I don't know that anyone knows for sure but make it hard to reach
> consensus on a solution:
> 
>  - what are the various interesting/crazy/insane uses PTRs in v4 now
>    (beyond the mail req of forward/reverse existing and matching),
>    i.e. what will break now and in the future if there are no v6 PTRs
>    for consumer IPs if content providers do the same uses in v6
> 
>  - how much is the current v4 autogen being done by ISPs truly breaking
>    mail/spam, how/when/how-soon will it explode and how much additional
>    stress/breakage would doing v6 autogen add

So it's not clear to me that there is a problem reaching consensus on what we 
should do.   It's not even clear to me (as I explained in my previous message) 
that there is a problem or a pain point here for IPv6.   It's pretty clear to 
me that the only sensible thing the IETF could do would be to say "this isn't a 
problem, please don't add fake PTR records."   And then ISPs would do whatever 
they do, regardless of what we recommend.   My hope is that they would not 
_anticipate_ a problem that does not actually exist, and create complex 
wonderfulness in their DNS architecture purely to solve that possibly 
nonexistent problem.

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