On 2012-04-04, at 11:31, Tony Finch wrote:

> I think BIND treats NXDOMAIN replies with the wrong authority as a
> FORMERR. Domainers are returning positive replies which BIND does not
> subject to a SOA sanity check.

monster.hopcount.ca is serving the fake (empty apart from apex SOA/NS and glue) 
root zone (and nothing else).

hopcount.ca. has delegation

  empty.hopcount.ca. NS monster.hopcount.ca.

I tested

  unbound 1.4.9
  unbound 1.4.13
  BIND 9.8.1-P1
  Google DNS
  OpenDNS

by sending queries "EMPTY.HOPCOUNT.CA/IN/A" and "EMPTY.HOPCOUNT.CA/IN/PTR".

OpenDNS lied about the answer when I asked for an A, but that's to be expected 
with their public service (and I guess suggests that there's nothing remarkable 
about empty.hopcount.ca as far as it is concerned). All other nameservers gave 
a prompt NXDOMAIN.

I think the observation that this is not actually the same as what the 
domainers do (since these are negative responses, and domainers return answer 
section data) is a good one, but I don't see the problem you mention in the 
wild. Admittedly I only tested a small set of servers.


Joe
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