Anno domini 2020 Sun, 13 Sep 11:13:02 -0500 goli...@devuan.org scripsit: > On 2020-09-13 01:14, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:11:48 -0500 > > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > >> On 2020-09-12 15:28, Steve Litt wrote: > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I think Devuan might want to "put back" POSIX commands Debian has > >> > removed (but provides packages for). See the following thread from > >> > Debian-User: > >> > > >> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00334.html > >> > > >> > Lennart Poettering has repeatedly and with certainty let us know he > >> > has no use for POSIX. I guess now the Debian project is acting as > >> > his proxy in this matter. > >> > > >> > Did you notice the one guy who said it would be "it would be 'rude' > >> > to impose something wanted by only a part of the users"? > >> > > >> > Personally, if my operating system doesn't come, as a baseline, with > >> > vi, ed, cut, grep, sed, awk, bc, dc, diff, dd, df, du, fg, head, > >> > tail, and the like, then it isn't an OS I'd want to use. The fact > >> > that an OS isn't certified POSIX is no excuse for deliberately > >> > leaving out easily included POSIX programs and features. > >> > > >> > Is it possible for Devuan to "put back" what Debian sabotaged? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > SteveT > >> > > >> > >> Probably. Are you going to volunteer to do/oversee that? > > > > Nope. My volunteering these days is difficult, much more important than > > any Linux distro, and not bothered with by about 98% of the population > > to which it's crucial. I'm blowing off time I really should be working > > to do this volunteerism, and have no remaining time to learn > > package-managership and then herd all the cats into accepting my > > packaging solutions. > > > > If I sound like an asshole, it's because I've had a very frustrating > > several days, during which no good deed I did went unpunished. > > > > SteveT > > > > (to the sound of a mournful violin) > > We all have priorities and those priorities will set the course of the > future of Linux as we have known it. But there are much bigger issues on > the horizon than POSIX. Heck, there are much bigger issues looming than > the future of Linux . . . > > A link to this rant was posted on FDN yesterday. I had never heard of > Luke Smith before and was not particularly impressed with either his > presentational style or his bemoaning the death of white, male privilege > but . . . I could very well imagine Linux going down the path his > "nightmare" imagines. > > https://libre.video/videos/watch/b576019d-8957-4efb-8571-6a14e0889136 > > If Debian doesn't wake up and reverse course what will become of Devuan? > The entire Linux ecosystem as we have known it could become a nostalgic > footnote in the history of the digital age.
From the link you posted earlier: some people think that the problems of debian are caused by systemd .. well, I would agree to that. But if Debian goes haywire, there is still FreeBSD. On my systems it started as a bckup plan just in case systemd would take over all linux world. Today it's my alternative OS for day to day work. And if you feel lonly, there's a community, too :) https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/09/10/debian_project_address/ > > It's a good time to be old . . . > > golinux > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
