On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:45:02 +0100 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 12:14:33PM +0100, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > The "too much work" argument is a very embarrassing one - it's the > > genuine duty of distro maintainers to take care of exactly such > > stuff. The argument that something was "too much work" (for the > > distro maintainers, or even the developers) is moot unless you're > > doing all that for yourself or for developers instead of your > > users. Claiming that a decision whether to put a package into /bin > > or /usr/bin (resp *sbin*) was "too much work" is also outright > > silly, there's zero additional workload in placing the package into > > the right location, except for the needed knowhow and decision > > itself. It's just for the laziness of developers of boot/init > > process when they demand to indiscriminately have access to *all* > > existing binaries in /usr > > The work involved is not just "zero", it's _massive_. Have you > looked at how extensive dependency chains There's a reason /sbin stood for STATIC bin. > can be for complex setups? > Try mounting a filesystem over wifi that requires a fancy > authentication daemon. OK fine, for sure for sure. For the 10% doing ultra-unusual stuff, boot to a combined /bin. For the other 90%, the / partition can have an /sbin directory with the necessary static programs to mount the root partition. Once the root partition is mounted, /etc/fstab can be found and run. And yeah, you'll need some sort of directly-on-/ drivers and firmware too,for the common stuff. I'll bet 3/4 of the people can boot no-initramfs to an /ext? root, and mount /usr to do the rest of the mounts. The rest, which might be able to be considered an edge case, can use initramfs and boot to a joined /bin. How hard would it be to put the drivers for ext? monolithically in the kernel, along with necessary drivers for lvm and luks? One more thing: What did people do before maybe 2010, when /sbin, /bin, /usr/sbin, and /user/bin were four separate directories? Was life that hard back then? Were develpers smarter? SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
