On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:50:08 +0200 Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > dear Edward, > > On Tue, 31 May 2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > > I have just been informed Debian 8 (Jessie) can be installed without > > systemd by using the command: preseed/late_command="in-target > > apt-get install -y sysvinit-core" > > interesting that this is still the default and hypocritical answer > from Debian. IMHO it is rather irresponsible of them to give that > answer to users. They should point to Devuan instead. > > Anyway, please keep in mind that Debian gives no warranty on the > maintenance of sysvinit scripts, while several sysvinit related > packages are unmaintained. > > If you still trust Debian's leadership to act in your interest after > the GR vote, I recommend you try it and use it for a while, then be so > kind to let us know how it goes.
I don't think Edward meant that Debian's OK just because it can currently be installed sans-systemd, or that he trusts Debian. I think it was just a comment on what he'd heard. A quick search of my Debian-User archives indicates Edward wasn't on that mailing list when the Debian project showed its true colors, so he might not know just how snaky they are. I like the three points you raise in your three paragraphs: 1) Debian should just point to Devuan for those wanting sans-systemd 2) Debian is a poor basket in which to keep one's sans-systemd assets 3) The Debian project has real problems, morally and intellectually. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt May 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
