Hi, Thanks Steve for clarifying my position that I cannot trust Debian. For a very minimal Debian system what Debian claimed may be true, but when it comes to setting up a useable system, Systemd & Co. sneaks in.
I despise software lock-ins, therefore, I cannot accept a project like systemd that infiltrates everywhere and that makes many assumptions on how I run my OS basing on what the clueless often expect. I want my setup as I want it to be including vital parts of the OS. Jaromil, I do NOT advocate Systemd & Co. I have in the past painfully experienced software lock-in when I was still using Borland's Delphi. Delphi started to be exorbitantly priced. Furthermore, since Delphi was a Windows program, Borland expected one to upgrade hardware in the manner MS Windows sheeple do. I understood the trap, and refuse to thread onto it resulting into myself not being able to code for several years. This forced me to learn C and C++ on my own. Long Life REAL Software Choice! That is why I contributed to Devuan with my time, effort and energy. I did NOT want wifi users being locked in through NOT being able to install a network manager as a result of refusing to use systemd. Edward On 31/05/2016, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:50:08 +0200 > Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > >> dear Edward, >> >> On Tue, 31 May 2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> >> > I have just been informed Debian 8 (Jessie) can be installed without >> > systemd by using the command: preseed/late_command="in-target >> > apt-get install -y sysvinit-core" >> >> interesting that this is still the default and hypocritical answer >> from Debian. IMHO it is rather irresponsible of them to give that >> answer to users. They should point to Devuan instead. >> >> Anyway, please keep in mind that Debian gives no warranty on the >> maintenance of sysvinit scripts, while several sysvinit related >> packages are unmaintained. >> >> If you still trust Debian's leadership to act in your interest after >> the GR vote, I recommend you try it and use it for a while, then be so >> kind to let us know how it goes. > > I don't think Edward meant that Debian's OK just because it can > currently be installed sans-systemd, or that he trusts Debian. I think > it was just a comment on what he'd heard. > > A quick search of my Debian-User archives indicates Edward wasn't on > that mailing list when the Debian project showed its true colors, so > he might not know just how snaky they are. > > I like the three points you raise in your three paragraphs: > > 1) Debian should just point to Devuan for those wanting sans-systemd > > 2) Debian is a poor basket in which to keep one's sans-systemd assets > > 3) The Debian project has real problems, morally and intellectually. > > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > May 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
