Le 15/08/2015 18:01, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:51:55 +0200
Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote:
Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duch...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
I know not everyone here agrees with me, especially Steve, and
that's perfectly okay. I have no problem with that at all. I just
don't see "System 5 pure" as realistic when planning ahead
looking at a maintenance standpoint when Debuan upstream is more
and more likely to stick with Systemd in designing their
packaging.
Maybe we should just put Steve in charge of decontaminating all
packages with systemd deps!
Oh, you wouldn't want to do that. Contrary to what I wrote in
another thread about "the perfect is the enemy of the good", if *I*
were in charge of decontamination, I'd throw out whole subsystems.
Gnome gone. KDE gone. Xfce gone. Networkmanager gone. Gimp gone if
it gets all systemd on us.
In the massive time I save as not being the bomb squad defusing Red
Hat's terrorism, I'd write small replacements for a lot of things
that use only Linux and a very rudimentary and optional GUI
interface.
Then I'd write documentation explaining how to use a sharp thinking
computer, to the proud ignorants of the world, especially those who
believe their ignorance is a badge of honor proving their age or
gender.
And the people who prioritize pretty over functional and robust: I'd
tell them to get a Mac.
You don't want me in that capacity.
And yes, I *am* a hypocrit who takes one position in one thread, and
then says he'd do the opposite in another. :-)
SteveT
Please, Steve, provide us with all you mentionned, as an
alternative to mainstream bloated/infected stuff. Since Devuan is all
about freedom, this is the place where to deliver to the world. As
soon as I can install Devuan on metal, I'll be one of your testers.
Didier
OK. What should come first?
* Automounter?
* No-dbus replacement for NetworkManager/Wicd?
* Other?
Please keep in mind, I'm not a good enough programmer to write a
substitute for Gimp or Gnome. Let's keep the first one simple and easy
so I can actually do it, in a reasonable timeframe, without adversely
impacting my real work.
Well you seem to have a lot of ideas and recipes and a good
experience of not well known simple and smart tools. I got just two
ideas of things you already discussed:
Do you think a mount helper would be achievable with dmenu? I know
you and some other people prefer an automounter, and may be it could be
a first step before the mount helper.
A light replacement for wpagui/wicd would be nice. Interfacing
directly with wpa_supplicant requires probably a lot of technical
knowledge about wifi protocols. But maybe it is simpler when interfacing
through wpacli - let's not re-invent the wheel.
I know we have all shaked ideas about all this but it does not
prove that it is easy. What I mean is if you make something smart and
usefull for you, people will love to try it because many here are tuned
on the same frequency as you, KISS and smart.
Didier
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