Le 19/07/2015 19:40, T.J. Duchene a écrit :

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From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Didier Kryn
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 12:01 PM
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

      Hey T.J.

      Not Linuxisms, GNUisms. Nano (and Emacs) belongs to GNU, and you
know it: GNU's Not Unix! Do not forget we are talking of GNU/Linux.
Trying to be POSIX-compliant, sure, but GNU nevertheless... a dilemma :-)

      Good day.
                              Didier

[T.J. Duchene] LOL!  =)

You make a wonderful point, Didier.  Quirks in GNU tools *are* a pain at times, I 
heartily agree.  Still, what cannot be cured must be endured.  I think if the FSF 
actually embarked on making sure their "crapware" (my personal phrase - no 
offense anyone) function even remotely close to BSD style (that everyone else outside of 
Linux uses), they would have to do a complete rewrite. Usually, you just install the GNU 
tools along with the ones the OS provides and hope for the best when trying to compile.

But no, that really was not what I was concerned about.  I'm not criticizing 
Devuan directly, but common standards really aren't the Linux way lately, and 
it is becoming rather tiresome, at least to me. This is not Devuan's fault, but 
as a whole, no one involved with Linux seems to care about cross-platform 
standards anymore.

I really do not care of nano is the default editor.  I've used it myself, along 
with joe, vi and an bunch of others over the years. I was just trying to make 
sure that if things are going to be replaced - as it is inevitable -   that 
common standard remain intact as much as possible.

Take care!
T.J.


You say "crapware"; I've also read "bloatware". Everyone complains about GNU, including me, but I don't forget everyone is or should be immensely gratefull for the wonderful software they provide to the world, free and open. Think of gcc, glibc, emacs, latex...

Seen from today, GNU is almost as old as Unix and I don't consider either of them is more entitled than the other to set the standard. I only have personnal preferences :-)

    Didier



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