On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 01:04:43PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut]
> > >... > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/629259/ covers the most recent flare-up when > > somebody wanted to make the AST of GCC accessible. > > There's a good quote in the comments to this article: > > "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus > and running code". > That's indeed a good link, and I thank you guys for posting it, but I start missing the whole point here :) We were talking about RMS not having a strong opinion about systemd and of the person who asked him the question, who was considered automatically a troll just for asking that question. Then we slipped over discussing of hairballs and badly conceived software, which I think does not have that much to do with what is discussed in the thread you posted (which is about the possibility of allowing AST to be exported from GCC, which has been *deliberately* made difficult for *political* reasons, a fact that we might accept or despise, according to personal taste). Then, this argument about the presumed "obfuscation" in the management of the AST by GCC has been implicitly used against RMS to justify the fact that he didn't have an opinion about systemd, erroneously suggesting IMHO that he did not since he himself has been loving coding obscure and hairball-like software..... I personally don't like this kind of recursive and circling lines of thought, so if you want to continue on this thread you are free to do so. If you want to prove that RMS is wrong on this or that, or even evil-minded for this or that reason, or if you want to put RMS and Mr Poettering in the same box, then please go on and have fun :) I just don't care about what RMS thinks of the systemd-nonsense, or at least not much more than I care about what meself and you guys think of it. The reason is that, IMHO, when it comes to political choices, as the ones made by RMS and other influential guys in the last thirty years, then technical aspects might become secondary or even irrelevant. While in some other cases, instead, the technical shortcomings of a formally "good" piece of software (like the free-software-compliant systemd-nonsense) might be enough to consider it dangerous. The same is valid for the systemd-nonsense: I think that it is first of all a *politically* wrong decision, since it is forcing the whole system to be subjected to the wills of one single producer (RedHat). On this side, I am apparently not in agreement with RMS, who doesn't have anything against the systemd-nonsense since, as he admitted, it's free software and this is enough *for him*. But on top of that, I think that the systemd-nonsense is also an overall *technically unsound* project, since its functioning goes against the same basic principles that are behind the *nix philosophy: KISS and DOTADIW. RMS didn't enter this technical querelle, since his mission is "free software" not "compliance to the founding principles of *nix". And I think I can live with this. Finally, I am not in a position to judge whether the systemd-nonsense is also *architecturally flawed*, as repeatedly suggested by other guys here, since I have not had the opportunity of looking through the code, or of studying its implementation in details. RMS has saind nothing about that, but this would not change the fact that systemd remains nonsense, IMHO, since even a very good, portable, modular, documented implementation of a bad underlying concept, which is also ill-conceived from a political point of view, is unacceptable for me :) In a word, the fact that RMS does not have a strong opinion (yet) about the systemd-nonsense doesn't change anything. He does not have a strong opinion on any technical aspect of GNOME or KDE or Xorg, so why should we expect tech-savvy directions from him about the systemd-nonsense? RMS's mission is to spread free software, fullstop. He has done a lot for our community, but he's not king, or dictator, or president of anything. We are all grown-up and should be able to take autonomous decisions (and actions) without RMS telling us what to do or approving our endavours. That's why they call it "community" and not "kingdom" :) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
