On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:18:15 -0600 "T.J. Duchene" <t.j.duch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With respect to all, I think that a measure of objectivity is called > for here. I think that because personality clashes that Debian's > entire systemd discussion has lost any sense of reality long ago. You know, T.J., I might just agree with you, *if* you can show me a block diagram of the systemd ecosystem, *complete with interaction lines as well as functional blocks*. You know, like this: http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/images/email_arch_personal.png Or these: http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200803/images/server_app.png http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200803/images/client_app.png Or these: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_process_overview.png http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_daemontools.png http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_minimal_service.png http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_dnscache_block_diagram.png http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_tinydns_block_diagram.png Or this: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nullmailer/images/nullmailer_mm.png But not the following, because it's boxes with no lines: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Systemd_components.svg/440px-Systemd_components.svg.png Nor this, because it's obviously incomplete as a representation of the systemd ecosphere: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Linux_kernel_unified_hierarchy_cgroups_and_systemd.svg/440px-Linux_kernel_unified_hierarchy_cgroups_and_systemd.svg.png Bottom line is this: If you make a modular system with thin interfaces and sane components, somebody will make a block diagram representing it, accurately, in its entirety. It could be argued that the email, sockets, and djb software systems I diagrammed were much simpler than systemd. Fair enough, but I'm one guy doing this stuff in my spare time, not six guys getting paid full time by Red Hat. I'm sure one of the geniuses Red Hat hired could have diagrammed system accurately and completely. Heck, I often do that *before* I write software, just so the system turns out architecturally sound. Let's see the block diagram. Prove systemd doesn't have grave architectural problems. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
