On 12/29/2014 2:55 AM, KatolaZ wrote If I can give my 2 cents to this discussion, I would like to point out that the "Conquest of the Desktop Market" is just a nonsense, and I believe that RedHat knows it very well. GNU/Linux has never taken off on desktops, and probably never will, first because the battle has already been won by Apple and second because desktops will practically disappear (meaning that they will represent an even smaller fraction of the overall market), replaced by smartphones and smart-tvs.
The whole "desktop is dead" is nothing more than a media blitz for the uninformed and a distraction for the rest of us. . It is not worth the waste of words. A computer is a computer. The form factor is almost entirely irrelevant. What people want and need is software that runs where they need it to. The whole idea of desktop software being a different software than what you would use on a phone is silly. Yes, the UI might be different, but the codebase is the same. The Linux kernel and libraries are examples, both of which are used on desktops and phones. The reason I'm writing this now is that I think we need to be careful not to adopt a mindset that might be a detriment later Let's focus on the niche in which GNU/Linux has still the possibility to say a word, i.e. the server and backend world. I must disagree, or at least I would have worded it differently. This a bad mindset to get into. As software engineers, we shouldn't measure success by popularity. We measure success by how well we filled a need. If we aim our sights low, and say we are sticking with one area because that is only where we will have success, then we are selling ourselves short. Devuan should concern itself with filling a need and going from there. This is exactly what RedHat is doing, in the end, with the systemd nonsense: one init to rule them all. They know very well that the market that counts for GNU/Linux is on the server side, and the systemd nonsense is the last strike to effectively wipe out all its competitors there. And they have already made a big step in that direction, mainly thanks to the silent and quick adoption of the systemd nonsense by virtually all the distros which might interfere with the plan, including SuSe and Debian. I'm sorry but "rubbish"! Systemd is no more an attempt to "take over" more than Martians and the common cold. They just have a different solution, and that is not a bad thing. Choice is what we do. Linux is open source, and as long as that is the case, no one can just "take over" because you can fork whatever you want. The community is interested in systemd because it easier to maintain that System 5. Easier does not always mean better. I think we can all agree on that.
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