Good news is that Django 2.0 is out and does support the Window functions:

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/ref/models/database-functions/#lag

Though it will mean a) upgrading on my dev box, c) working out how to use it and if happy, c) upgrading on my production box and rolling it out.

Great to see Django evolving though and the hope this SQL solution I just shared may be implementable in the ORM.

There's also a fine tutorial here:

https://agiliq.com/blog/2017/12/django-20-window-expressions-tutorial/

and it looks like a filter can be annotated with such window functions and all migth work neatly in Django 2.0 ORM.

Regards,

Bernd.

On 2/03/2018 3:48 AM, C. Kirby wrote:
I'm having a hard time envisioning the SQL statement that could do what you are asking, without a sub select or something like that. If you can write the expression in sql you _might_ be able to get back to the ORM that would create that. Can you provide an sql  statement that does what you want for us to help you think about it?

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 6:50:56 PM UTC-5, Bernd Wechner wrote:

    Julio,

    Thanks for giving it some though. But I think you misread me a
    little. I am using the get() only to illustrate that the
    precondition is, I have a single object. The goal then is find a
    neighboring object (as defined by the ordering in the model).

    Yes indeed, a filter is the first and primary candidate for
    achieving that, but can you write one that respects an abritrary
    ordering involving multiple fields, as I exemplified with:

    |
    classThing(models.Model):
         field1 =...
         field2 =...
         field2 =...
    classMeta:
             ordering =['field1','-field2','field3']
    |

    Also consider that the ordering thus specified does not stipulate
    uniqueness in any way, that is many neighboring things in an
    ordered list may have identical values of field1, field2 and field3.

    I'm not sure how Django sorts those ties, but imagine it either
    defers to the underlying database engine (i.e. uses the sort
    simply to generate an ORDER BY clause in the SQL for example in
    the above case:

    |
    ORDER BY field1 ASC,field2 DESC,field3 ASC
    |

    and lets the underlying database engine define how ties are
    ordered. Or it could add a pk tie breaker to the end. Matters
    little, the problem remains: how to find neighbors given an
    arbitrary ordering and ties.

    Can you write a filter clause to do that? I'm curious on that front.

    It's easy of course with one sort field with unique values
    collapsing to an __gt or __lt filter folllowed by first() or
    last() respectively (not sure that injects a LIMIT clause into the
    SQL or collects a list and then creams one element from it - I'll
    test a little I think).

    In the mean time, I still feel this has to be a fairly standard
    use case. It's about browsing objects in a table one by one, with
    a next and previous button given an ordering specified in the
    model and no guarantee of uniqueness on the (sort keys).

    Regards,

    Bernd.

    On Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:58:58 UTC+11, Julio Biason wrote:

        Hi Bernd,

        Well, the thing with `get()` is that it will return only one
        object. What you're looking for is `filter()`.

        Say, you want all the things that have an ID after a certain
        value. So you get `list_of_things =
        Things.objects.filter(pk__gte=...)`. Now it'll return the
        list, with all elements after the one you asked.

        If you want the previous and next, you can do
        `list_of_previous =
        Things.objects.filter(pk__lt=...).limit(1)` and `list_of_next
        = Things.objects.filter(pk__gt).limit(1)`.

        Or something like that ;P

        On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Bernd Wechner
        <bernd....@gmail.com> wrote:

            I'm a bit stumped on this. Given an arbitrary ordering as
            specified by the ordering meta option:

            https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/ref/models/options/#ordering
            <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/ref/models/options/#ordering>

            for example:

                class Thing(models.Model):
                    field1 = ...
                    field2 = ...
                    field2 = ...
                    class Meta:
                        ordering = ['field1', '-field2', 'field3']

            given an instant of Thing:

                thing = Thing.objects.get(pk=...)

            how can I get the next Thing after that one, and/or the
            prior Thing before that one as they appear on the sorted
            list of Things.

            It's got me stumped as I can't think of an easy way to
            build a filter even with Q object for an arbitrary
            ordering given there can be multiple fields in ordering
            and multiple Things can have the same ordering list (i.e.
            there can be ties - that Django must resolve either
            arbitrarily or with an implicit pk tie breaker on ordering).

            It's got me stumped. I can solve any number of simpler
            problems just not his generic one (yet).

            Ideally I'd not build a list of all objects (waste of
            memory with large collections), and look for my thing in
            the list and then pick out the next or prior.

            I'd ideally like to fetch it in one query returning the
            one Thing, or if not possible no worse than returning all
            Things on side of it and picking off the first or last
            respectively (even that's kludgy IMHO).

            I'm using postgresql and I found a related question here:

            
https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/53862/select-next-and-previous-rows
            
<https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/53862/select-next-and-previous-rows>

            but would rather stick with the ORM and not even explore
            SQL (just took a peak to see SQL can be constructed to do
            it I guess, as if not, the ORM sure won't have a good way
            of doing it methinks).

            I'd have thought this a sufficiently common use case but
            am perhaps wrong there, with most sites exploiting simple
            orderings (like date_time or creation say). But I want to
            build a generic solution that works on any model I write,
            so I can walk through the objects in the order specified
            by ordering, without building a list of all of them. In
            short I want to solve this problem, not reframe the
            problem or work around it ;-).

            Regards,

            Bernd.

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