@Matt

You are correct.  The "drupal/joomla/plone/wordpress space" does exist
and it is where most people (non-developers) look first.  These are
the people who need to perceive django in a more positive light if the
goal is to increase django market share.  They are the people who hire
you and I.  If not, it's a moot point.

@Everyone

I was not clear that I support everything Russ said, and that I am
most in favor of an "Enterprise" site that sets forth standards and
best practices which make apps more compatible and hence more
marketable.

I will die, maybe tomorrow by blunt force trauma from a bus, but I
will die.  There has to be a clear path for my clients when that
happens.  I am still eager to be involved.

Thanks,
Richard Shebora

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Matt Hoskins <skaffe...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> plug and play.  A manager/developer making the decisions on a platform
>> for their next project should be able to download django and just plug
>> in the functionality he/she needs.  Dependencies will exist but that's
>> normal.
> <snip>
>> If all that would happen django would be an easy choice for anyone,
>> well absolutely for me.  Without these I spent months swinging back
>> and forth on various decisions because the above situation does not
>> exist for django.
>
> The market you talk about sounds like one where things like Pinax/
> Satchmo/LFS are a substantial match for their requirements and who can
> then benefit from the power of Django in extending beyond the
> capabilities of what those apps provide. The drupal/joomla/plone/
> wordpress type market, perhaps?
>
> The kinds of applications I build in Django aren't in the style of
> public-facing websites, they're web-based applications where few if
> any of the facilities from Pinax, Satchmo or LFS are of any interest
> to me. In fact for me one of the appeals of Django was that it didn't
> try to do too much for me (i.e. it didn't quickly start to get in the
> way like, say, drupal tends to once you get beyond a certain point).
>
> I quite like the skeleton proposal Russ sketches out in the mail you
> replied to - that sounds like it would have more of a general reach
> rather than trying to get into the drupal/joomla/plone/wordpress
> space.
>
> Regards,
> Matt
>
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