James,

This SOPA bill thing probably concerns more open source communities than you could think of, including Django development, and discussing about it should be a good thing, not a bad one, as far I understand the problems it creates.

Further I disagree this is a bad list for discussing the implications SOPA, and encourages everyone to sharpen their minds on this issue, so please don't be "sorry" to talk about it.


Best regards,

Etienne


On Dec 27, 2011 11:16 PM, "James Richards" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I do agree that the fundamental point of Django is free distribution
    of content.  Are developers now obligated to design software that is
    not under their control?  How does that affect contracted
    development obligations?  This is probably not the ideal list but it
    is surely a worthy topic for one.

    Please pardon the intrusion,

    James

     > With the utmost respect, I must rebuke Paul's claim that this
    discussion is misplaced on the dev list.  We all have a stake in
    this legislation.  All free software projects have a stake in this
    legislation.  I urge those unfamiliar with H.R. 3261 to google for
    the Cole's Notes.  This legislation effects the removal of judicial
    oversight from the process of "incarceration" of an electronic
    entity.  This isn't about politics at all.  User contributed content
    is about to become a liability...
     >
     > Ryan
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    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     > To: [email protected]
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     > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 10:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
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     > Subject: Re: SOPA bill question
     >
     > Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the
     > dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal /
     > noise ratio) is not the way.
     >
     > However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various
     > django IRC channels) that:
     >
     > 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and
     >
     > 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django
     > project *as a political act*.
     >
     > Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues
     > facing our community, and the social and political implications
    of the
     > various decisions that we make?
     >
     > To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this
     > discussion.  I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the
     > proper guidance from the core team.
     >
     >
     >
     > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Paul McMillan <[email protected]
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     >> While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be
    related
     >> to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place
     >> for it. Please do not continue this thread here.
     >>
     >> -Paul
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