On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:13 PM Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote:

>
> I am not suggesting that these be 'the truth', I'm always in favor of
> following up quantity with quality, but it might be a good step in the
> right direction.
>

Thank you for saying this. In a world where on the quantitative side we
measure what is easily measurable (vs what is important) on the qualitative
side we reward things with a simple narrative (vs foundational work that
might only show up in raw numbers) I appreciate any nuanced position. In
order for these not to be "the truth" I would love recommending that
projects report the numbers as well as an explanation, like we do for
mailing list stats. (Am I being naive about this being useful?)

And perhaps there is a follow-up question in reports like "what areas of
contribution are not captured in these metrics or the existing report
template?" where a project might call out those areas that we do not yet
have automated visibility or a qualitative question, such as those Gris
started with, etc, like community organizing, infrastructural on-call style
work, StackOverflow answers, design work. I do not believe all of these
things will appear in Jira, nor that Jira tasks are proportional to effort,
nor that my list is representative. We could hope that projects report
areas for us to consider, and then we have to opportunity to
cross-pollinate, asking project A to comment on the areas that project B
mentioned.

The idea for bio information from new Jira users is separate, and good IMO
if optional.

To conclude on a somewhat mundane note... reporter.apache.org really
dictates what a report looks like for most projects. Is a proposed change
here the way to go?

Kenn


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> With regards,
> Daniel.
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