Matthew Garrett <[email protected]> writes: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 07:40:50PM -0500, quiliro wrote: >> Matthew Garrett <[email protected]> writes: >> >> > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 07:00:03PM -0500, quiliro wrote: >> >> Matthew Garrett <[email protected]> writes: >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 05:59:46PM -0500, quiliro wrote: >> >> >> Matthew Garrett <[email protected]> writes: >> >> >> > The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not require that a >> >> >> > volunteer organisation grant membership to a rapist, even if said >> >> >> > rapist >> >> >> > has not been found guilty in a court of law. >> >> >> Are you aserting that Jacob Appelbaum is guilty or are you talking >> >> >> about >> >> >> someone else? If you cannot prove something, it is a lie. >> >> > >> >> > I am asserting that he's a rapist, an assertion that is backed up by an >> >> > array of publicly available evidence. >> >> >> >> You are backing it up by gossip. Nobody in that website is presenting >> >> their proof. They cannot not be held to their word. It is impossible to >> >> verify if they say the truth or if they lie. >> > >> > Reporting of first hand experiences is not gossip. >> >> If you believe what others say, that is your problem. I'd rather have >> proof. > > How are you defining "proof" here?
Something that is "backed up by an array of publicly available evidence." This you have said. But you have not shown. A web page is not first hand testimonies. The author is the only first hand testimony if it is verifiable. First hand testimonies must not only be shown. Those testimonies must also demonstrate that someone was penetrated sexually. That defines rape. Also, if someone says something, that does not mean it is true. So proof is something much more complicated than what you are presenting and requires much more verification. _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list [email protected] https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
