On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Tom Rondeau <t...@trondeau.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Nazmul Islam <mnis...@winlab.rutgers.edu>
> wrote:
> > I got a partial answer to my previously posted question :). When I pass
> the
> > complex baseband I & Q with a costas loop block, the  output indeed looks
> > like a square wave.
> >
> > Does it mean that external reference clock does not correct the
> > phase/carrier offset error? Does it only solve the timing error issue?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nazmul
>
> Glad that you are able to get far enough to recover it. As for the
> remaining 6 kHz offset, what's the RF frequency? What does 6 kHz
> translate into for a parts per million? While I would expect them to
> be the same with both locked to the same external clock, we are
> talking about reality here, so things aren't always that cooperative.
> I can't think what would cause this kind of an offset, though, as it
> seems rather large.
>
> Maybe someone with more hands-on hardware experience with precision
> equipment can jump in here.
>
> Tom
>

6kHz is way too high. They should be cycle-locked. What is the amplitude of
the clock signal you're feeding into the USRP2?

--n


>
>
> > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Nazmul Islam <
> mnis...@winlab.rutgers.edu>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Tom,
> >>
> >> First of all, thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I appreciate it. I
> did
> >> as you told in the last email, i.e., I transmitted a square wave
> (switching
> >> between 0.5 to -0.5). The sqaure wave's period was 1 ms and the sampling
> >> rate was 1 MHz. I have attached the real part of the outputs with the
> >> email.
> >>
> >> The output shows a phase shift after every 500 samples, i.e., half
> period
> >> of the square wave with 1 MHz sampling rate. The sinusoidal nature of
> the
> >> output probably comes from frequency offset of the two USRP's. I
> expected
> >> this for an internal clock source.
> >>
> >> However, I see a 6 kHz frequency offset (3 sine period per 0.5 ms) even
> >> with the presence of an external clock. The external clock is driving
> both
> >> USRP's. The E LED is on. I am using a sine wave with 10 MHz frequency &
> 7
> >> dBm amplitude as the external clock. I also put the clock source
> options in
> >> grc as external. Do I need to make any other changes in the GRC blocks
> to
> >> inform USRP about the external source?
> >>
> >> Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks for all of your help.
> >>
> >> Nazmul
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Tom Rondeau <t...@trondeau.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Nazmul Islam
> >>> <mnis...@winlab.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >>> > Hello,
> >>> >
> >>> > I want to transmit a continuous stream of 1's or 0's (with bpsk
> >>> > modulation)
> >>> > and record the received I-Q stream. I am trying to use the
> >>> > 'digital_bert_tx.py' code for transmission and the uhd_rx_cfile code
> >>> > (gr-uhd/apps) for reception. Thereafter, I use the
> read_complex_binary
> >>> > code
> >>> > to read the data in Matlab.
> >>> >
> >>> > Surprisingly, I am receiving similar type of I-Q stream (around 0.3
> + j
> >>> > 0.3)
> >>> > for both 1 and 0 transmission. I am using the following commands:
> >>> >
> >>> > self._bits = gr.vector_source_b([1,], True)                       (I
> >>> > either
> >>> > transmit infinite 1 or infinit 0's. When I transmit infinite 0's, I
> >>> > replace
> >>> > '1' by '0' in the command)
> >>> >
> >>> > ./digital_bert_naz_tx.py -r 5M -m bpsk -f 450M --gain 0.1
> >>> > --non-differential    (I am using non-differential since I want to
> see
> >>> > the
> >>> > different amplitude levels for '1's or 0's)
> >>> >
> >>> > ./uhd_rx_cfile -N 1000 -f 450M --samp-rate 5M file.dat   (Since I am
> >>> > using
> >>> > bpsk, sample-rate should be equal to bit rate, I assume)
> >>> >
> >>> > Ideally, the I-Q stream of bpsk should show 180 degree phase shift
> for
> >>> > 1 and
> >>> > 0 transmission. I am getting the same value for both transmission.
> Can
> >>> > anyone suggest where I am making mistakes?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> >
> >>> > Nazmul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nazmul,
> >>> Hard to say from this info. A few things to note on, though. First,
> >>> 1000 samples isn't that much. There are startup transients in
> >>> hardware, so you might just be seeing effects of those. I'd capture
> >>> ten thousand or a million and just read out the last 1000.
> >>>
> >>> Also, the transmitter and receiver are running on two different
> >>> clocks, so their frequency and phases aren't going to match, unless
> >>> you've locked them to the same source. It'd be hard to say what you'll
> >>> see, exactly, due to this. That's why we use recovery loops for all of
> >>> these things.
> >>>
> >>> What I would recommend is to create a transmitter that transmits a
> >>> long string of 1's followed by a long string of 0's (100 or 200 each).
> >>> When you plot the last 1000 samples, you should see something that
> >>> moves between two amplitudes. I wouldn't trust what you see from one
> >>> run to another, so just do it at the same time.
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Muhammad Nazmul Islam
> >>
> >> Graduate Student
> >> Electrical & Computer Engineering
> >> Wireless Information & Networking Laboratory
> >> Rutgers, USA.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Muhammad Nazmul Islam
> >
> > Graduate Student
> > Electrical & Computer Engineering
> > Wireless Information & Networking Laboratory
> > Rutgers, USA.
> >
>
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