Read not only the document that I sent you, but the document that Brian sent you too. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Both docs tell you have to make the calculation.

- George


Bill Stevenson wrote:


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bill Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:58:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] two questions about the general communication system

I meant: i was just simulating a simple communication system using GnuRadio, and i just have the transmitted bits connected with a noise source (gr.noise_source_c(gr.GR_GAUSSIAN, noise_voltage)). Now the only thing left is the bit energy. :) Thank you!!!

Bill

----- Original Message ----
From: George Nychis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Bill Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:50:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] two questions about the general communication system

So... if the noise channel is on your laptop, you must have generated
this channel?  Is it a simulated channel?  Are you specifying the noise
power?

You're not giving us much information.

- George


Bill Stevenson wrote:
 > Thank you! What i am trying to do is very simple: I don't use USRP, i
 > just used a vector as a bit source and have it modulated and transmitted
 > through a noise channel (on my laptop ^.^ ). Now i can set the value of
 > noise's amplitude, but there seems to be no way to determine the bit
 > energy! How to get it?  Thank you!!!
 >
 > Bill
 >
 > ----- Original Message ----
> From: Daniel Halperin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
 > To: Brian Padalino <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> Cc: Bill Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>; discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org <mailto:discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org>
 > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:18:14 PM
 > Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] two questions about the general
 > communication system
 >
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 > On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Brian Padalino wrote:
 >  > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Bill Stevenson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
 >  >>
 >  >> Thank you George!
 >  >>
 >  >> I am just wondering when we calculate BER, how can we determine the
 >  >> value of
 >  >> bit energy? Thank u!
 >  >
 >
 > If you look through the relevant emails on the list, it seems no one
 > really understands the translation between the short values from the
 > USRP and absolute energy --- ADC and processing behavior complicate
 > the issue. However, it is much easier to estimate the ratio of Signal
 > to Noise --- this is a relative quantity. Just figure out receiver
 > power in the absence of a signal and in the presence of one...
 >
 > - -Dan
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