Did you want help with something? On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Valek Filippov <f...@gnome.org> wrote:
> > I think we have a failure to communicate, and perhaps this is your first > encounter with open source > > programming. > "Vodka went out through my nostrils" (c). > > > About 12 years ago, > <skip> > > There was no way to make them yourself. I am not kidding. > About 12 years ago, roughly in 2000, there was Visio 2000 available > which for sure (same as Visio 5 few years before) had no problem with > stencils creation. Sorry. > > > I never saw any free Visio stencils > I never saw electrons. > > > and at the time there was no API or tools freely available to make them. > That tool has been (was and is) named Visio. Sorry. > > > You mention Cisco stencils, they are not Microsoft the owners of Visio, > who > > decided long ago not to give the ability to make Visio stencils freely. > Wrong. Sorry. > > > Cisco can afford the API or whatever it takes to make Visio stencils, > > presumably they did just that. > Wrong. One thing is for sure -- Cisco didn't use Visio to create > shapes, just imported it from yet another vector drawing editor or CAD > (I would suspect one of the Adobe product as an intermediate point, > but I'm lazy to verify it) and saved as stencil files. > Just for a record: Cisco is not the only vendor who publish Visio > stencils of its equipment. > Nortel, Avaya, Zyxel, IBM, Xerox -- name it. > In some cases it's not that easy accessible as Cisco's one and not > every vendor replies to questions about rights of the stencil user, > but if one is not banned on google... > > V> "Did you try to make sheets in Dia, seriously?" > > I do not, because my needs don't require it. > But I did. Do you still want to argue? Then try it first. > > > If you want shapes, you can make them. (AFAIK, this IS NOT possible with > > Visio, unless you have the cash to buy the privilege.) > Wrong. > > Yet another note... Till Visio 2007 (if memory serves) there was no > easy way to _remove_ stencil items from VSD file. > So once someone send you a VSD (drawing) file with shapes from some > stencils, you automagically also have a copy of all used (including > used but deleted later) elements of the stencil in the drawing file. > > > You are clearly the first who has felt a need for these floor plan > shapes with sufficient > > strength to create them, otherwise they would exist. > You probably mistake me with this discussion starter. > I'm not interested in floor plans at all. > The only thing about floor plans I told so far is that I can help to > convert any suitable stencil to SVG. > > > I hope this won't discourage you > Quite opposite, you make this evening way more funny for me. > Thank you! =) > > > If you think about it, you are offering that $20 in an environment where > If you think about it, I told that "I _would_ ... but...". > I don't need a faceplate drawing, because I can easily use one > provided by Cisco. > I had a hope to gently push you towards understanding that a lot of > shapes are already available, > but you seem to live in the world where Visio cannot create its own > stencils. > Shapes useful for floor plans (reminder: I'm not interested in floor > plans, that's not for me) could be relatively easy created (at least > in Visio). > My point is that even this could be avoided by converting existing stencil. > > > I think maybe you felt insulted by my reply, and I am sorry for that. > No, that was funny. > > > But reality strikes - you may just have to learn how to use Dia > > as all before you have done, by experimenting, with patience, and then > make > > some shapes. > Well.. you (someone who didn't try to make sheets in Dia) give an > advise to someone who did. > I like this approach. > > > post), then to the FAQ, where it is the last thing in the TOC which is > I think I have to ask you one more tricky question... > Did you read the FAQ? > > Try #1.5.4 of that FAQ again. > > Overall, I suspect it makes sense to check to whom your preaching is > directed. > > (Don't take it too seriously. Your data about Visio is mostly > harmless^W corrupted. > That and some other misses make it nice to keep for murky days.) > > -- > Cheers, > Valek > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com <michael.e.r...@gmail.com>
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