That's a shame. I run an owncloud instance for the family right now, I guess I'll be swapping it out for an upstream package. Is there anything you're aware of that I should watch for during the migration? On Sep 2, 2015 22:37, "Adam Williamson" <adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-09-02 at 20:49 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote: > > > Adam have you gotten in touch with Upstream at all? Seen if maybe > > they can > > make changes on their end to make packaging any easier? I'm sure > > some parts > > of it are just a result of php being php, but you did mention > > bundling for > > part of it. Maybe they'd be willing to work with downstream > > packagers to > > get things in a better place? > > Extensively. They're reasonably willing to take changes that don't > make their primary deployment story (use the bundled-to-hell OBS > packages or use a bundled-to-hell container) any more complicated, but > that's about it. They're not willing to proactively work on it > themselves, and they won't take any changes that make the other > approach even marginally more complicated. They also don't really seem > to care much about trying to limit external dependency use or at least > only use dependencies with relatively sane versioning policies either; > they follow the typical PHP approach of 'throw libraries at the > problem till it goes away (and evolves into a much nastier problem)'. > > Viz that time they decided they wanted JavaScript minification, so > they threw this bunch of complete craziness into the source tree: > https://github.com/mrclay/minify (it's a giant bundle of minifiers and > web service minifier interfaces, including one notoriously not- > actually-F/OSS one, with no kind of sane maintenance practices > whatsoever). I'm still trying to finally get a PR which gets rid of > that thing and uses JSqueeze instead merged. > > "PHP" really is about 80% of the problem here. PHP as an ecosystem is > so heavily tied to bundling (particularly through Composer / > Packagist, which is explicitly designed around bundling), and has such > thoroughly entrenched traditions of terrible library development > practices, that it's very rare to find a significant PHP project that > even tries to be developed the 'right' way (wordpress and roundcube > are the best examples I can think of). > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net > http://www.happyassassin.net > > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
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