Can anyone offer me advice where to look and what to look out for with this
ATI Rage XL problem, it was not in F16.

I will try rolling a F19 ISO if I can get that together and try that just
in case the problem has fixed itself.

I will also follow up the Ubuntu lead.

Thanks for the replies, any help or information is much appreciated. Did
there used to be a Fedora triage group for dealing with such problems ? Or
did that leave them not being viewed off of main
mailing lists ?


On 3 April 2013 22:21, Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 2013-04-03 13:54 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>
>
>  Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>
>  On 2013-04-03 11:48 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>>>
>>
>  There are
>>>> limits to how long the F/OSS stack devs are able to work on extremely
>>>> old hardware, they don't have infinite resources...
>>>>
>>>
>  IOW, if you want to keep using old hardware, you need to participate in
>>> keeping it supported. That means participation in testing upcoming
>>> release versions so as to discover and report problems soon enough that
>>> fixes might be provided when breakage is discovered.
>>>
>>
>  That always helps, but let's not kid ourselves that even all
>> comprehensively documented graphics bugs are fixed. There just aren't
>> the developers to fix them all, and 'likely prevalence of hardware in
>> the real world' is one of the factors the devs use in prioritising bugs
>> for fixing, which means bugs for extremely ancient hardware tend to go
>> down the queue a bit. It's not that they never get fixed, but...
>>
>
> What I wrote wasn't meant to imply anything like a guarantee support would
> continue indefinitely for ancient hardware. Developers lacking the subject
> hardware obviously can't test on it. To do anything about a bug with scarce
> hardware requires devs know about the problem at an appropriate time, and
> get as much detail as possible about it from those who do have that
> hardware, if not in a formally filed bug, at least in similar form where
> devs who care might see it.
>
> Such a time is least likely to be useful for already released software
> that the devs have passed by one or two releases already, e.g. F18. The
> best time is the time that requires the least amount of bisection to
> discover when the problem was created. The older the hardware you with to
> use, the more valuable your participation in testing. That includes
> upstream where necessary, such as Xorg drivers in particular.
>
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